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ST 6: transport to the Kronos 1

QuantumMath

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Report this Feb. 15 2014, 4:32 pm

If in Insurrection, Picard could not use the transporter without being detected, why did the crew of Enterprise A not notice two people beaming to the Klingon ship? Wouldn't that be an unauthorized transport?


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Report this Feb. 20 2014, 6:46 pm

did you forget there ws a colabarator on the bridge of the Enterprise A?


Lt. Valeris........AND SHE WASNT ALONE ON THE SHIP


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Report this Feb. 21 2014, 3:57 am

I would have thought it would have set off alarms on Kronos 1. Scotty might have noticed too.


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Report this Feb. 21 2014, 7:21 am

Valeris would have sabotaged sensors.


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Report this Feb. 21 2014, 7:58 am

On the Klingon ship? How long would it have taken scotty to notice that the sensors were sabatogued? Also, even without the sensors, he should have been able to see the powerusage


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Report this Feb. 21 2014, 10:14 am

Maybe she slipped some Romulan Ale in his tea, so he wasn't paying as much attention as usual.


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Report this Feb. 21 2014, 1:54 pm

Engineering is run by more than just one person though, did no one else notice?


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Report this Feb. 21 2014, 6:18 pm

Valeris did sabotoge the sensors, and corupted the ships computers.and she had other peoplke working with her.


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Report this Mar. 14 2014, 6:42 am

Answer:  Because this movie is - simply put - not very good.


 


I mean, why are Starfleet crew using old leatherbound books instead of PADDs or computer readouts?  Why is the presentation to the President of the UFP not done via holograms or computer programs (even PPT would have been better than flipping poster paper)?  Why are Klingons trying to take ownership of Shakespeare?  Why can Spock and McCoy alter a torpedo to home in on cloaked ships in mere minutes and yet no other ship has ever attempted this before and since (wouldn't that have come in handy during the Federation-Klingon conflict before the start of the Dominion War)?  Why does no one notice that big pink fuzzball on Kirk's shoulder?  Why did it take the finest, most advanced ship in Starfleet three years to catalog gaseous anomalies?  And why was it even doing that to begin with?  Could Starfleet not have sent out a smaller Oberth vessel and allowed the Excelsior a deep-space exploration assignment?  I mean, it's not like Sulu's a rookie...  Why can Chang's Bird-of-Prey fire while cloaked?  Yet no other vessel ever figured this out afterward?  Why does Scotty spend his time staring at exterior (paper!) blueprints of the Enterprise?  Why are the Klingons' armor now made out of puffy pleather?


 


I could go on and on...  Basically, the First Four films were fantastic.  But Five and Six were abysmal.


 


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Report this Mar. 14 2014, 7:25 pm

@TheDriver


Answer:  Because this movie is - simply put - not very good.


I disagree


 I mean, why are Starfleet crew using old leatherbound books instead of PADDs or computer readouts?


 


there was a spy/saboteur on bord the ship.......the padds/computers couldnt be trusted


 


Why is the presentation to the President of the UFP not done via holograms or computer programs (even PPT would have been better than flipping poster paper)?  


 


because the plan wasnt offical at the time, no record of it could exsist, the paper plans are easier to destroy


 


Why are Klingons trying to take ownership of Shakespeare?


 


the work, not the man himself.And there are claims that he stole those works.


 


 Why can Spock and McCoy alter a torpedo to home in on cloaked ships in mere minutes and yet no other ship has ever attempted this before and since (wouldn't that have come in handy during the Federation-Klingon conflict before the start of the Dominion War)?  


 


why it wasnt done before?........no one thought of it.


why it wasnt done since or in the klingon conflict you pointed out?.........they would corrected that problem in the 80 years between.


 


Why does no one notice that big pink fuzzball on Kirk's shoulder?


 


pink and fuzzy, ???looked dsrk and metalic to me.


 


 Why did it take the finest, most advanced ship in Starfleet three years to catalog gaseous anomalies?  And why was it even doing that to begin with?  Could Starfleet not have sent out a smaller Oberth vessel and allowed the Excelsior a deep-space exploration assignment?  I mean, it's not like Sulu's a rookie...  


 


finest, most advanced ship ........by whos account?


by the time of TUC, the Excelsior was already 11 years old.I doubt it was still the most advsnced ship.


 


it took 3 years to complete the mission because the Beta Quadrant is verry big


 


they sent the Excelsior and not a smaller/unprotected ship because the Beta Quadrant contains the terrtorial borders of both The Klingon empire and the Romulam empire.Sending a smaller ship would have been stupid.


 


Sulu's a rookie as a captain


 


Why can Chang's Bird-of-Prey fire while cloaked?  Yet no other vessel ever figured this out afterward?


 


it was figured out, the poroblem is that sensors are better in the tng era and any ship trying this would be detected.


 


 Why does Scotty spend his time staring at exterior (paper!) blueprints of the Enterprise?


 


I said it before........there was a spy/saboteur on bord the ship.......the padds/computers couldnt be trusted


 


 


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Report this Mar. 17 2014, 7:02 pm

Thank you, Sto, for defending this excellent installment in Trek. 


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Report this Mar. 18 2014, 11:07 am

Quote: TheDriver @ Mar. 14 2014, 6:42 am

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>Answer:  Because this movie is - simply put - not very good.

>I mean, why are Starfleet crew using old leatherbound books instead of PADDs or computer readouts?  Why is the presentation to the President of the UFP not done via holograms or computer programs (even PPT would have been better than flipping poster paper)?  Why are Klingons trying to take ownership of Shakespeare?  Why can Spock and McCoy alter a torpedo to home in on cloaked ships in mere minutes and yet no other ship has ever attempted this before and since (wouldn't that have come in handy during the Federation-Klingon conflict before the start of the Dominion War)?  Why does no one notice that big pink fuzzball on Kirk's shoulder?  Why did it take the finest, most advanced ship in Starfleet three years to catalog gaseous anomalies?  And why was it even doing that to begin with?  Could Starfleet not have sent out a smaller Oberth vessel and allowed the Excelsior a deep-space exploration assignment?  I mean, it's not like Sulu's a rookie...  Why can Chang's Bird-of-Prey fire while cloaked?  Yet no other vessel ever figured this out afterward?  Why does Scotty spend his time staring at exterior (paper!) blueprints of the Enterprise?  Why are the Klingons' armor now made out of puffy pleather?

>I could go on and on...  Basically, the First Four films were fantastic.  But Five and Six were abysmal.

>And the only decent NextGen flick was First Contact.

>


 


I agree that Star Trek VI was an uneven film for the reasons you listed and more. It was saved by good performances and good character stuff by the main cast and a few excellent sequences (the assassination, the Praxis explosion and the cat-and-mouse battle at the end). 


To be really critical and harsh, it was too rushed and too "low budget." The re-use of TNG sets took me way out of the film. Chang and Gorkon play more like pretentious members of the Royal Shakespear Klingon Company than alien warriors. The science is horrendous (subspace shockwaves anyone?) and there are more plotholes than you can shake a stick at as well. Most annoying is that the dramatic "realism" of Trek I-III is gone and the tongue-in-cheek "winking at the audience" that was so prevailant in Trek IV and V is still here, in a story that needed to be more intense in terms of its presentation.(*note- I don't mean the humor...I mean the lack of the story taking itself seriously)


Ultimately, this film is still good though. It beats the snot out of most of the TNG outings, and it's got some fantastic little moments in it that are absolute gold. 


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Report this Mar. 25 2014, 7:23 am

Just curious...  What "fantastic little moments in it" are "absolute gold?"


 


The only moment I can think of off the top of my head was seeing Sulu 'graduate' to a captaincy ... and having that captaincy be the Excelsior, which was his target ever since the (non-canon) Wrath of Khan novelization.


 


Oh, and also...  It WAS nice to see a classic Klingon D-7/K'tinga-class on screen again.


 


Otherwise, this film was garbage.  Just way too campy and way too simplistic in terms of the plot (which could have been great).  Even Shatner's, Nimoy's, and Kelley's combined charisma couldn't save this movie.


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Report this Mar. 25 2014, 2:37 pm

McCoy and Kirk talking about prejudice. Kirk and Spock talking about old age and old friendships. Kirk facing his prejudices. The assassination scene. 


 


Just a few great moments. 

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Report this Mar. 27 2014, 1:45 am

To the OP:


 


Shhh... you'lll expose  the plot hole.

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