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Your opinions on abortion, being a Star Trek fan

AudridDax706

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Report this Feb. 06 2014, 10:16 am

A huge part of Star Trek is the seeking out and protection of life. In your opinion, is abortion taking lives? Why or why not? 


 


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22123magic

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Report this Feb. 07 2014, 6:49 am

I feel that a baby is alive from the moment of conception, and should be treated as such.


 


There are some interesting facts and numbers about abortion here.


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darmokattanagra

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Report this Feb. 07 2014, 9:17 am

I believe every sperm and egg is sacred. Therefore, I believe that any time a man ejaculates or a woman ovulates and no child is conceived they are guilty of commiting a mortal sin and must be put to death. Preferably by stoning because that's what Jesus taught.

Anyone who disagrees with my beliefs is a socialist troll.

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Report this Feb. 07 2014, 9:20 am

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Feb. 07 2014, 9:17 am

>I believe every sperm and egg is sacred. Therefore, I believe that any time a man ejaculates or a woman ovulates and no child is conceived they are guilty of commiting a mortal sin and must be put to death. Preferably by stoning because that's what Jesus taught. Anyone who disagrees with my beliefs is a socialist troll.


 


Seriously?


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darmokattanagra

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Report this Feb. 07 2014, 10:00 am

Seriously. Masturbation is tyranny.

Honestly though, no. I'm not a fascist like those around here who claim to be pro-freedom. I believe a woman's body is hers to do with as she pleases. I use the "ejaculate/ovulate" argument to illustrate how absurd the "pro-life" position is.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Feb. 07 2014, 11:12 am

Quote: 22123magic @ Feb. 07 2014, 6:49 am

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>I feel that a baby is alive from the moment of conception, and should be treated as such.

>There are some interesting facts and numbers about abortion here.

>
Agreed.  As I've asked people to think about it:


Heartbeat?   Check...


Respiration?   Check....


Brainwaves?   Check....


Distinct DNA that's different than mother & father?   Check...


 


Hmmm....  What's the difference between an adult, a child or an unborn baby when you ask those questions?  Nothing.  If an unborn baby isn't alive, then the rest of humanity isn't either.


I once heard a medical doctor answer the question of the difference between an unborn baby and a baby.  Their answer was, "About three inches."  (They were talking about the birth canal.)


Remember reading history when many people thought that "black" people were not fully human?  Today's view of abortion is almost identical.

22123magic

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Report this Feb. 07 2014, 11:32 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Feb. 07 2014, 11:12 am

Quote: 22123magic @ Feb. 07 2014, 6:49 am

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>I feel that a baby is alive from the moment of conception, and should be treated as such.

>There are some interesting facts and numbers about abortion here.

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Agreed.  As I've asked people to think about it:

Heartbeat?   Check...

Respiration?   Check....

Brainwaves?   Check....

Distinct DNA that's different than mother & father?   Check...

 

Hmmm....  What's the difference between an adult, a child or an unborn baby when you ask those questions?  Nothing.  If an unborn baby isn't alive, then the rest of humanity isn't either.

I once heard a medical doctor answer the question of the difference between an unborn baby and a baby.  Their answer was, "About three inches."  (They were talking about the birth canal.)

Remember reading history when many people thought that "black" people were not fully human?  Today's view of abortion is almost identical.


 


Thus, a baby's right to life overrides a woman's right to privacy.


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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Feb. 07 2014, 12:20 pm

Quote: 22123magic @ Feb. 07 2014, 11:32 am

>Thus, a baby's right to life overrides a woman's right to privacy.
I'm not sure what you're saying here.  Can you please expound?

22123magic

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Report this Feb. 07 2014, 12:38 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Feb. 07 2014, 12:20 pm

Quote: 22123magic @ Feb. 07 2014, 11:32 am

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>Thus, a baby's right to life overrides a woman's right to privacy.
I'm not sure what you're saying here.  Can you please expound?


 


I meant that when people say a woman has a right to privacy, as in not wanting anybody to find out about her pregnancy, that right does not come close to the baby's right to life.


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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Feb. 07 2014, 12:46 pm

Quote: 22123magic @ Feb. 07 2014, 12:38 pm

>I meant that when people say a woman has a right to privacy, as in not wanting anybody to find out about her pregnancy, that right does not come close to the baby's right to life.
I guess there's a balance to that.  I do believe in the parents rights to privacy, but I agree that right shouldn't be abused to extinguish the life of someone else.


What I find so disgusting is that people are equating an unborn baby to a tumor or cancer.

22123magic

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Report this Feb. 07 2014, 1:14 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Feb. 07 2014, 12:46 pm

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>What I find so disgusting is that people are equating an unborn baby to a tumor or cancer.

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Exactly! That's .....just.....wrong!


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Ghost of Star Trek Past

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Report this Feb. 07 2014, 3:15 pm

Quote: 22123magic @ Feb. 07 2014, 9:20 am

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Feb. 07 2014, 9:17 am

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>I believe every sperm and egg is sacred. Therefore, I believe that any time a man ejaculates or a woman ovulates and no child is conceived they are guilty of commiting a mortal sin and must be put to death. Preferably by stoning because that's what Jesus taught. Anyone who disagrees with my beliefs is a socialist troll.

 

Seriously?

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darmokattanagra

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Report this Feb. 07 2014, 6:48 pm

What I find disgusting is people equating a zygote with a full-grown adult. What I find even more disgusting is that those who do this see no problem with indoctrinating children with their own religious beliefs. To them, the zygote's "rights" trump the mother's rights but once that baby is out its chattel until its eighteen.

And for the record, as if it wasnt already obvious, I don't support Bam's straw man position that a fetus with a heartbeat is equal to a tumor.

Ghost of Star Trek Past

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Report this Feb. 08 2014, 5:54 am

I watch Trek and in shows, unborn is life!


Watch "The Child"!


Watch "Galaxy's Child"!


 


Hitler loved abortion!  Communists love abortion!  They hate life and why they murder millions! This why darmokattanagra love abortion!

miklamar

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Report this Feb. 09 2014, 8:35 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Feb. 07 2014, 11:12 am

Quote: 22123magic @ Feb. 07 2014, 6:49 am

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>

>I feel that a baby is alive from the moment of conception, and should be treated as such.

>There are some interesting facts and numbers about abortion here.

>
Agreed.  As I've asked people to think about it:

Heartbeat?   Check...

Respiration?   Check....

Brainwaves?   Check....

Distinct DNA that's different than mother & father?   Check...

 

Hmmm....  What's the difference between an adult, a child or an unborn baby when you ask those questions?  Nothing.  If an unborn baby isn't alive, then the rest of humanity isn't either.

I once heard a medical doctor answer the question of the difference between an unborn baby and a baby.  Their answer was, "About three inches."  (They were talking about the birth canal.)

Remember reading history when many people thought that "black" people were not fully human?  Today's view of abortion is almost identical.


I agree with you.  Life is too precious and transient throughout the universe to destroy.


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