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QuantumMath

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Report this Jan. 15 2014, 4:27 am

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Deflector_shield


 


Acording to memory alfa, (link posted above) for a ship's shields not to interfere with its weapons, the shield and weapons frequencies were matched.


During the battle of Veridan 3, the rouge Klingon bird of prey matched it's weapons to the shield frequency of the enterprise d. The allowed the klingons to penertrate the enterprise's shields.


By the definition above, the weapons on the enterprise were also tuned to their shields, of which, now, the klingons had their shields to the same frequency too. If so, why did enterise's phasers not penetrate the bird of prey's shields?


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22123magic

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Report this Jan. 15 2014, 5:39 am

Because that would make a really short and stupid movie. 


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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jan. 15 2014, 10:27 am

Because changing the frequency of a shield only takes a second.... After firing the torpedo, the BoP could have immediately changed their shield frequency.


 


Or...  can a torpedo's frequency change after firing?  Maybe it was tuned to the BoP's frequency and after it was launched, changed over to the Enterprise's frequency.

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Report this Jan. 15 2014, 11:00 am

I think you're on to something, Bam-Bam. The second theory sounds more likely than the first.


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Report this Jan. 15 2014, 1:02 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Jan. 15 2014, 10:27 am

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>Because changing the frequency of a shield only takes a second.... After firing the torpedo, the BoP could have immediately changed their shield frequency.

>Or...  can a torpedo's frequency change after firing?  Maybe it was tuned to the BoP's frequency and after it was launched, changed over to the Enterprise's frequency.

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If changing the frequency of a torpedo only took a second, the enterprise should have been able to re-modulate it's shields. 


Maybe, a torpedo does not need to change frequency, a torpedo is not a particle beam weapon, but a projectile.


Even if your second theory is corect, what happened whent he bird of prey was firing disruptor bolts?


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Report this Jan. 15 2014, 1:55 pm

But remember, the first two torpedoes penetrated the Enterprise's shields before exploding.  The shields would normally not allow that.  And when the BoP was firing disruptors, by that time, the Enterprise was already compromised.


I had to rewatch that scene and it appears that after the initial two torpedoes, the BoP changed over to disruptors only.

QuantumMath

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Report this Jan. 15 2014, 1:58 pm

Which the enterprise would have been able to counteract.


 


I just realise that my theory about photons passing through shields in not possible because photons explode and are deflected by most shields.


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 8:40 am

Quote: QuantumMath @ Jan. 15 2014, 4:27 am

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>http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Deflector_shield

>Acording to memory alfa, (link posted above) for a ship's shields not to interfere with its weapons, the shield and weapons frequencies were matched.

>During the battle of Veridan 3, the rouge Klingon bird of prey matched it's weapons to the shield frequency of the enterprise d. The allowed the klingons to penertrate the enterprise's shields.

>By the definition above, the weapons on the enterprise were also tuned to their shields, of which, now, the klingons had their shields to the same frequency too. If so, why did enterise's phasers not penetrate the bird of prey's shields?

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the klingons agusted their weapons to penetrat the enterprises sheilds.


what makes you think the klingons altered their own sheilds as well???


 


 


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 8:47 am

Quote: QuantumMath @ Jan. 15 2014, 1:02 pm

>If changing the frequency of a torpedo only took a second, the enterprise should have been able to re-modulate it's shields.


even if the Enterprise changed the sheilds it would have changed nothing......its likely LaForge would be the one making the changes, or at the least would have seen the changes, so the klingons would have seen it too.,


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 10:18 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Jan. 30 2014, 8:40 am

Quote: QuantumMath @ Jan. 15 2014, 4:27 am

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>http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Deflector_shield

>Acording to memory alfa, (link posted above) for a ship's shields not to interfere with its weapons, the shield and weapons frequencies were matched.

>During the battle of Veridan 3, the rouge Klingon bird of prey matched it's weapons to the shield frequency of the enterprise d. The allowed the klingons to penertrate the enterprise's shields.

>By the definition above, the weapons on the enterprise were also tuned to their shields, of which, now, the klingons had their shields to the same frequency too. If so, why did enterise's phasers not penetrate the bird of prey's shields?

>
the klingons agusted their weapons to penetrat the enterprises sheilds.

what makes you think the klingons altered their own sheilds as well???

 

 


 


Okay, so we all agree that a ship's weapons have to match its shields to work correctly, right?


e.g. Shield = value A, Weapons = value A ----- Successful fire!


Shield = value A, Weapons = value B -------The weapons fire would just explode inside their shields. Bad.


 


So, let's say the Enterprise's shields and weapons are both at value A, right?


The Klingons shields and weapons are at value B, right?


These would be normal conditions.


 


However, in this situation, the Klingons have become aware that the Enterprise's shields are set to value A.


So, they set their weapons to value A to penetrate the Enterprise's shields. As we just discussed they would then have to set their shields to a matching frequency, A, to avoid having their weapons hit their own shields.


 


Now, we have two ships whose shields and weapons are all set to value A, right?


So, they would be completely even except the Klingons have the element of surprise, so they could fire, incapacitate the Enterprise's shields completely, and then switch everything back to value B before the Enterprise knew what hit 'im.


This is what I would assume happened. Live long and prosper.


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 10:46 am

Quote: 22123magic @ Jan. 30 2014, 10:18 am

>Okay, so we all agree that a ship's weapons have to match its shields to work correctly, right?

>e.g. Shield = value A, Weapons = value A ----- Successful fire!

>Shield = value A, Weapons = value B -------The weapons fire would just explode inside their shields. Bad.

>So, let's say the Enterprise's shields and weapons are both at value A, right?

>The Klingons shields and weapons are at value B, right?

>These would be normal conditions.

>However, in this situation, the Klingons have become aware that the Enterprise's shields are set to value A.

>So, they set their weapons to value A to penetrate the Enterprise's shields. As we just discussed they would then have to set their shields to a matching frequency, A, to avoid having their weapons hit their own shields.

>Now, we have two ships whose shields and weapons are all set to value A, right?

>So, they would be completely even except the Klingons have the element of surprise, so they could fire, incapacitate the Enterprise's shields completely, and then switch everything back to value B before the Enterprise knew what hit 'im.

>This is what I would assume happened. Live long and prosper.

>
to tell the truth, i never agreed with that theroy on how sheilds/weapons worked.


I always felt that the sheilds would be droped or lowered in intensity, for the fraction of time needed to fire weapons, over the locolized area being fired from.


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 12:14 pm

Is it possible for the ship to just drop shields in a small section? I wouldn't think so, but they've probably done it in some episode or another. 


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 3:38 pm

Quote: 22123magic @ Jan. 30 2014, 12:14 pm

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>Is it possible for the ship to just drop shields in a small section? I wouldn't think so, but they've probably done it in some episode or another. 

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yes its been done, manually and I do believe it was done useing the computers as well.


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Report this Jan. 31 2014, 2:07 pm

I'm curious, is there any logic to the one-way shield concept? I mean is it theoretically possible? 


In that case, any object/particle could pass outward from within the shielded area, so weapons both projectile and energy based could easily pass through.  

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Report this Jan. 31 2014, 2:50 pm

I thought about this, but if so, the shelds of an attacking ship would not have to be alligned with that of it's weapons.


 


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