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Religion and Star Trek

22123magic

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Report this Jan. 12 2014, 9:31 am

Overall, Star Trek seems to take a neutral point of view as to the existence of God. However, in specific episodes, it has both leaned toward pro-God, and others been more athiestic, varying by series.


 


Do you think Star Trek allows for the existence of a God?


 


(This is not counting Q by the way.)


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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jan. 12 2014, 9:41 am

Star Trek allows for people to believe in God (or gods) or not to believe in them.  As pretty much everyone knows, Roddenberry was an atheist, but we saw different references to religion in the different series.

22123magic

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Report this Jan. 12 2014, 9:44 am

I've always found it interesting that TOS, even though it was the series he worked on most, seems to contain the most references to religion.


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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jan. 12 2014, 10:07 am

I guess it depends on the person's view.  Since TOS was done in the late 60's, it had a much different attitude toward religion than TNG.  I really liked the Bread and Circuses episode.


But I think that religion was much more prominent in DS9 since the main "aliens" were the Bajorans and their dominant religion was a leading element within the entire series.  And it was okay for the Bajorans to see the Prophets as gods and everyone else to see them as "Worm Hole Aliens."

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Report this Jan. 12 2014, 5:43 pm

Witht the time-travel, I can't see much use for God(s), but then again I'm spiritual and not religious myself.


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Peng

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Report this Jan. 17 2014, 6:52 pm

Klingons and Bajorians were deeply religious so yes, I think there is a place for relifion in Star Trek

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Report this Jan. 28 2014, 12:30 pm

I was reading once that religion and Star Trek actually collide. That was one of the metaphoric symbolisms behind Star Trek. That is of religion (or as we know it) being a hindrance to humanity. The very religious types like the Bajorans being very suppressed.  

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Report this Jan. 28 2014, 4:53 pm

Star Trek TOS dealt favorably with religion because it was the sixties and American culture was more faith friendly than it was during succeeding iterations of Star Trek which looked down its nose at the notion of faith though it claimed to appreciate cultural uniquenesses galaxy-wide. Trek eventually became a platform for mocking faith and throwing in with social positions I'm not one to agree with which were reasons I eventually lost interest in the whole flippin' thing.

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Report this Jan. 29 2014, 4:34 am

Quote: eutychus @ Jan. 28 2014, 4:53 pm

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>Star Trek TOS dealt favorably with religion because it was the sixties and American culture was more faith friendly than it was during succeeding iterations of Star Trek which looked down its nose at the notion of faith though it claimed to appreciate cultural uniquenesses galaxy-wide. Trek eventually became a platform for mocking faith and throwing in with social positions I'm not one to agree with which were reasons I eventually lost interest in the whole flippin' thing.

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I do not understand why followers of "Doomsday Cults" such as Christianity, and Islam would be interested in Star Trek in the first place?


 


Mark 7:25-30


25 For a woman whose young daughter had an unclean spirit heard about Him, and she came and fell at His feet. 26 The woman was a Greek, a Syro-Phoenician by birth, and she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter. 27 But Jesus said to her, “Let the children be filled first, for it is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.”


28 And she answered and said to Him, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs under the table eat from the children’s crumbs.”


29 Then He said to her, “For this saying go your way; the demon has gone out of your daughter.”


30 And when she had come to her house, she found the demon gone out, and her daughter lying on the bed.


 


Matthew 10:5


5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.


 


Matthew 10:34


34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.


 


Luke 22:36-38


36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.


37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.


38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.


 


Luke 12:49-53


49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?


50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!


51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:


52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.


53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.


 


Luke 14:26


26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.


 


John 12:25


25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.


 


John 15:6


6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.


 



Mark 13:30


30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.


 



Mark 14:61-62


61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?


62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.


No red flags are raised in the minds of the believers that there is no evidence for Jesus
except the very scriptures that express belief without evidence is a virtue.


 


John 21:25


25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.


 


Galatians 1:20 (Paul)


20 I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie.


 



Matthew 10:23


23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.


John 5:31


31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.


 


John 8:14


14 Jesus answered and said to them, “Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from and where I am going.


 


Numbers 15:32-36


The Sabbath-Breaker Put to Death


32 While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the Lord commanded Moses.


 


 


 



Quran 4:56  http://quran.com/4/56



Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.



Quran 41:19-21  http://quran.com/41/19-21


And [mention, O Muhammad], the Day when the enemies of Allah will be gathered to the Fire while they are [driven] assembled in rows,Until, when they reach it, their hearing and their eyes and their skins will testify against them of what they used to do.And they will say to their skins, "Why have you testified against us?" They will say, "We were made to speak by Allah , who has made everything speak; and He created you the first time, and to Him you are returned.



Quran 4:34  http://quran.com/4/34



Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.



Quran 5:33  http://quran.com/5/33



Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,



Quran 4:3  http://quran.com/4/3



And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].



Quran 65:4  http://quran.com/65/4



And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.



Quran 33:50 http://quran.com/33/50



O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.



Quran  http://quran.com/2/282



O you who have believed, when you contract a debt for a specified term, write it down. And let a scribe write [it] between you in justice. Let no scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him. So let him write and let the one who has the obligation dictate. And let him fear Allah , his Lord, and not leave anything out of it. But if the one who has the obligation is of limited understanding or weak or unable to dictate himself, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her. And let not the witnesses refuse when they are called upon. And do not be [too] weary to write it, whether it is small or large, for its [specified] term. That is more just in the sight of Allah and stronger as evidence and more likely to prevent doubt between you, except when it is an immediate transaction which you conduct among yourselves. For [then] there is no blame upon you if you do not write it. And take witnesses when you conclude a contract. Let no scribe be harmed or any witness. For if you do so, indeed, it is [grave] disobedience in you. And fear Allah . And Allah teaches you. And Allah is Knowing of all things.



Quran 4:11  http://quran.com/4/11



Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females. But if there are [only] daughters, two or more, for them is two thirds of one's estate. And if there is only one, for her is half. And for one's parents, to each one of them is a sixth of his estate if he left children. But if he had no children and the parents [alone] inherit from him, then for his mother is one third. And if he had brothers [or sisters], for his mother is a sixth, after any bequest he [may have] made or debt. Your parents or your children - you know not which of them are nearest to you in benefit. [These shares are] an obligation [imposed] by Allah . Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.



Quran 9:29  http://quran.com/9/29



Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.


Quran 2:225 http://quran.com/2/225



Allah does not impose blame upon you for what is unintentional in your oaths, but He imposes blame upon you for what your hearts have earned. And Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing.



Quran 3:28 http://quran.com/3/28



Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah , except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination.



Quran 16:106 http://quran.com/16/106



Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief... except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah , and for them is a great punishment;



http://www.islamreview.com/articles/lying.shtml



Excavating The Empty Tomb


A very well made, and put together series on the Resurrection by Youtuber "TruthSurge."


Very informative, and thought provoking, so give it some of your time.


http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1D58C69D194384D2



http://www.theleagueofreason.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=11952


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22123magic

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Report this Jan. 29 2014, 7:37 am

I would be interested in finding out some more about the religious make-up of star trek fans.


 


In fact, I'll go start a poll right now.


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 8:58 am

Quote: Peng @ Jan. 17 2014, 6:52 pm

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>Klingons and Bajorians were deeply religious so yes, I think there is a place for relifion in Star Trek

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the klingons killed their gods because they were more trouble then they were worth.


you call that "deeply religious"?


 


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 9:04 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Jan. 30 2014, 8:58 am

Quote: Peng @ Jan. 17 2014, 6:52 pm

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>Klingons and Bajorians were deeply religious so yes, I think there is a place for relifion in Star Trek

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the klingons killed their gods because they were more trouble then they were worth.

you call that "deeply religious"?

 

I was thinking the same thing.  But I also remember Worf at Boreth where they had a monestary, etc.

22123magic

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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 10:25 am

It's tough to say where the Klingons stand on this. They seem to hint at religious activity, but then deny it too. I suppose only a true Klingon warrior knows the real answer.


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 11:12 am

Oh.... and I just remembered...


Klingons do believe in in an afterlife (Sto'Vo'Kor and Gre'thor)

stovokor2000-A

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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 11:27 am

an afterlife does not necessarily equate being religious.


I have many atheist friends that think , that when one dies, their consciousness joins with those of everything that has ever lived in some kind of unversal pool


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