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TAS = Non-Canon...Right?

22123magic

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Report this Jan. 12 2014, 4:21 am

So the events portrayed in the Animated Series are NOT considered canon, correct? I've been hearing differing viewpoints on this.


 


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Report this Jan. 12 2014, 12:45 pm

You're right, there is a bit of a debate on this. Someone like D.C. Fontana will tell you that it is canon, despite Gene Roddenberry disowning the series prior to his death.
Basically, I think you can make up your own mind, because as far as I'm aware there's no clear answer yet. I take some, probably most, of it to be canon. You can watch the animated series on the Star Trek website and it has a lot of information about the episodes. This is enough evidence for me in favour of the series being considered canonical by Paramount. It doesn't really matter, though. The series is kind of cute and fun but it's not groundbreaking. If it turns out one day to be de-canonized, I won't grieve.

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Report this Jan. 12 2014, 1:55 pm

Roddenberry had a habit of changing his mind about stuff.  At first, something was canon and then he would later change his mind.  He did this with TAS and even some of the movies.

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Report this Jan. 12 2014, 2:15 pm

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Report this Jan. 27 2014, 5:00 am

The series has some odd concepts difficult to reconcile with other liv action TRek prductions. For example, in "The Magiks of Megas-Tu" the Enterprise is sent to the center of he universe, a trip that clearly it couldn't have made bases on VOY's warp scales and so on.


Also there's the Robert April episode were the mention that his wife was the first Chief Medical Officer on-board a starship, which is completely false since CMO's existed in Archer's time. Then there's the Bonaventure, described as the first starship ever to have warp drive, which is impossible since Archer's ship had warp drive.


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 4:55 am

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Jan. 27 2014, 5:00 am

>Also there's the Robert April episode were the mention that his wife was the first Chief Medical Officer on-board a starship, which is completely false since CMO's existed in Archer's time. Then there's the Bonaventure, described as the first starship ever to have warp drive, which is impossible since Archer's ship had warp drive.


Maybe Sarah april was he first CMO that came out of starfleet.The CMO of Archers Enterprise wasnt a starfleet officer.


I dont see how Archers ship having warp drive disproves the idea that the Bonaventure was the 1st starship to have warp drive.Arhers ship wasnt the first ship to have warp drive.


Its not like they mention when the Bonaventure was in service or when it went missing.Not to mention that all the Elysian council members claimd to be at least 100 or more years older.The human member of the council may have been from the Bonaventure, and if she was that would square with her ship being from before Archers time.


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 5:22 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Jan. 30 2014, 4:55 am

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Jan. 27 2014, 5:00 am

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>Also there's the Robert April episode were the mention that his wife was the first Chief Medical Officer on-board a starship, which is completely false since CMO's existed in Archer's time. Then there's the Bonaventure, described as the first starship ever to have warp drive, which is impossible since Archer's ship had warp drive.

Maybe Sarah april was he first CMO that came out of starfleet.The CMO of Archers Enterprise wasnt a starfleet officer.

I dont see how Archers ship having warp drive disproves the idea that the Bonaventure was the 1st starship to have warp drive.Arhers ship wasnt the first ship to have warp drive.

Its not like they mention when the Bonaventure was in service or when it went missing.Not to mention that all the Elysian council members claimd to be at least 100 or more years older.The human member of the council may have been from the Bonaventure, and if she was that would square with her ship being from before Archers time.

I'll rewatch the episode, but I'm fairly certain the dialogue's intention is to say that before her, space travel was more risky because ships didn't carry doctors.


As for the Bonaventure, the dialogue in The Time Trap states she was lost decades ago, while Archer's ship was around a century before Kirk. Also, I know you don't believe in this logic I'm presenting, but ship design makes it seem closer to Kirk's time then Archer's. We've seen two Earth STarfleet ships from Archer's time, the Intrepid Type (as it is known online) and the NX Class. Both look similar to each other and very different to the Bonaventure.


As for yur 3rd paragraph, Memory Alpha says: "The ship was lost on her third mission, in the Delta Triangle, several decades before 2269." Several decades....that's not something one one would when talking about a century. That would be like if I was asked how long it'll take me to finish something I'm doing and I answer saying "several seconds" when I am refering to at least 8 - 10 minutes. Sure you can say that and it's nit wrong, but it's not how we comunicate normally.


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 6:44 am

I'll rewatch the episode, but I'm fairly certain the dialogue's intention is to say that before her, space travel was more risky because ships didn't carry doctors


 


I agree that may have been the intent.......but writers intent does not equal a canon or continuity break.The dialog is vague enough to be interperted a few ways.


 


As for the Bonaventure, the dialogue in The Time Trap states she was lost decades ago, while Archer's ship was around a century before Kirk


 


right.......I0 decades equals 1 century...........which means decades ago.......so whats your argument?


and btw, you are incorrect.The dialog says nothing about how long ago the ship ent missing.


from the dialog:


SCOTT: Captain, there's the old Bonaventure. She was the first ship to have warp drive installed. She vanished without a trace on her third voyage. 


 


Also, I know you don't believe in this logic I'mpresenting, but ship design makes it seem closer to Kirk's time then Archer's. We've seen two Earth STarfleet ships from Archer's time, the Intrepid Type (as it is known online) and the NX Class. Both look similar to each other and very different to the Bonaventure.


 


I agree, the Bonaventure's design makes it look "out of place" in Archers era............almost looks as out of place as the NX looked when compaired to kirk's Enterprise.....and we did see a few more ships from Archers era, most notably the Daedalus class [which has the same genral design shape as the bonaventure] .They were removed from a long service run in the year 2196.Which means the ship was in service around the same time Archers ship was


 


As for yur 3rd paragraph, Memory Alpha says: "The ship was lost on her third mission, in the Delta Triangle, several decades before 2269." Several decades....that's not something one one would when talking about a century. That would be like if I was asked how long it'll take me to finish something I'm doing and I answer saying "several seconds" when I am refering to at least 8 - 10 minutes. Sure you can say that and it's nit wrong, but it's not how we comunicate normally.


 


as I said above, the dialog has no mention of a time period for when the ship went missing.


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22123magic

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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 10:02 am

Wouldn't Cochrane's Phoenix be the first ship to have warp drive? Granted, it wasn't very fast, but it was the first human ship to have warp drive.


 


Or are we just talking about official starfleet ships?


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 10:49 am

talking starships


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 12:15 pm

Okay, so the Phoenix would have been the first then.


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 12:17 pm

And of course, you have to take all this with a grain of salt, because they couldn't have predicted anything that would've happened in TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, or any of the twelve movies when they were making TAS back in the 70's.


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Report this Jan. 30 2014, 3:36 pm

yes, the Phonix was the first test ship with warp abilities from earth.


the Bonaventure was a early Starfleet ship and said to be the dirst starship, from earth persumaly, to have a warp drive instaled.


a for taking it with a grain of salt...............the canon status of the animated series has changed several times over the last decade.So make up your own mind on the topic.


But asaide from the issues mentioned here, i do think there are a number of contradictions if you try to blend tas into canon.


 


 


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Report this Jan. 31 2014, 6:27 am

Overall, I would just treat TAS as an awesome show, but not happening in the canon prime universe.


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Report this Feb. 09 2014, 12:48 pm

i have it and i love it i saw this series back in 1970,s 

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