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last pre-Flood pharaoh?

miklamar

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Report this Oct. 26 2013, 7:44 am

Using Biblical genealogies, I think Noah's Flood (Genesis 6) occurred c. 2447 BC, so perhaps the last Pharaoh of ancient Egypt was Shepseskare, who ruled c. 2455-2448 BC.  He left an unfinished pyramid at Abushir.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepseskare


His father was Neferirkare Kaki, who ruled c. 2475-2455 BC.  He was the Fifth Dynasty ruler, whose craftsmen seem to have carved the Palermo Stone.


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neferirkare_Kakai


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Nanomite

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Report this Oct. 28 2013, 5:10 am

According to U.S. Army R and D research Noah died around 6000 BC plus minus a millenium.

miklamar

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Report this Oct. 28 2013, 9:13 am

Sorry, Nanomite, but those numbers do not add up with Biblical genealogies.  There were several worldwide floods, such as the one at the end of the Ice Age, c. 9,600 BC (which I think corresponds with Atlantis' demise).  Genesis says that God gave us the rainbow, as a sign that He would never destroy civilizations on Earth with a flood, again.


Biblical genealogies and history can be traced backward from I Kings 6:1, which says that King Solomon began his temple in the 480th year after the Exodus began.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_chronology


I think that this later 2,447 BC date for Noah's Flood would also explain why so many of the megalithic graves (constructed after 6,000 BC) seem to be free-standing stones:  I think their protective soil-coverings and other less permanent decorations were washed away in the Flood.


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Nanomite

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Report this Oct. 29 2013, 3:11 am

No need to apologize while having a mature discussion whether we agrre or not, but thanks anyway for the politeness.
Allow me to expand on my meaning. What is an ark? A holy box or container that holds religious artifacts. I doubt very much that Noah and his family and friends plus wildlife would be floating around in such a container. Being that a ship is sometimes a boat but also a space vessel. What if the shower was not rain but an asteroid shower in some other cosmic location and the Ark a space vessel. That would explain a lot. A world wide flood is less likely to have occured. Where did all the water come from and where did it go? Also, since the Bible describes all humans from Noah and prior to his account living centuries and only following that time do humans live around one century I would further conjecture that a planet that rotates faster than Earth does, orbits a star or twin star at a higher velocity than Earth the sun, the twin stars or suns moving around the black hole core of that galaxy at a higher velocity and the galaxy itself speeding through the universe at high speed, etc, would have humans aging at a slower rate. Science tells us that the closer to light speed we reach the slower time moves for the person or vessel travelling so fast from the perspective of an outsider looking in. If my twin brother blasted off in an advanced flying suit from Earth into the cosmos closer to light speed and returned in a day to me on Earth his twin brother would have aged many years or decades while he only one day. Same principle. Further evidence of this is the prophecies of Revelations which indicate that Heavenly warriors will rescue us during the final conflict to contain the last of the satan leaders and bring us to 'the new earth' where they will live with us for a thousand years. What if the new earth is really the old earth from Noah and prior times bringing the good book full circle. The prophecies of Nostradamus for the beginning of the 21st century are almost identical to Revelations including the return of Jesus who leads us on a space journey after the defeat of the anti-christ and satan where he will be with us for a thousand years. Again, his predictions, which end in the year 3797 AD, for this time (approx 2000-2025) are identical to Revelations only that Nostradamus gives us a time frame.

I tend to disregard historical textbook facts with way too much manipulation and gaps in the facts and when I do I find the religious and historical symbolism combined with true facts giving a much more realistic theory and set of theories. More to come when I have time.

BeccandForth

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Report this Nov. 10 2013, 1:21 pm

Fortunately it's a myth.

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Report this Nov. 14 2013, 11:55 pm

True, but myths can be based upon some-thing. A worldwide flood is unlikely (well, physically impossible, since the required level of moisture in the air would drown all land-dwelling life, not to mention the obvious technical difficulties of loading representatives of every species onto a single floating vessel.) However, a smaller-scale -- but still large and devastating -- flood may yet have inspired the myth.


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Nanomite

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Report this Nov. 16 2013, 2:44 pm

You seem quite confident OtakuJo that you know for a fact that the account is a myth. I give a friendly challenge to your conclusion. First I would like to know how you can be so sure with over half of the Bible Scripture regarding Noah missing? Second, you have a cool style in a sexy way, if I may be so bold.

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Report this Nov. 17 2013, 8:21 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Nov. 14 2013, 11:55 pm

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>True, but myths can be based upon some-thing. A worldwide flood is unlikely (well, physically impossible, since the required level of moisture in the air would drown all land-dwelling life, not to mention the obvious technical difficulties of loading representatives of every species onto a single floating vessel.) However, a smaller-scale -- but still large and devastating -- flood may yet have inspired the myth.

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Actually, I've always said that it's likely the story was passed down from earlier tribes who suffered a disaster of a large regional flood.  For people who likely travelled less than 1-200 miles from where they were born in their lifetimes it was likely that a large flood would seem to destroy their world.


 


Whether it's from the Epic of Gilgamesh or the possiible flooding of the Black Sea region.


Other implausibilities of the global flood:


How did all the animals from other parts of the world get to Israel?


Why are only animals from the region and nearby locations mentioned?


Why doesn't it mention that the all the fish would have died, too? 

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Report this Dec. 07 2013, 3:10 am

Quote: Nanomite @ Nov. 16 2013, 2:44 pm

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>First I would like to know how you can be so sure with over half of the Bible Scripture regarding Noah missing?

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How do you know half is missing if it's missing?


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miklamar

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Report this Dec. 18 2013, 3:37 pm

I believe there were a number of floods, some of which were worldwide in scope.  Just think of the end of various Ice Ages.


I think Noah's Flood is historical and it was the last major one, corresponding to the Bronze Age cultures in Europe.


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