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What would you change?

AudridDax706

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Report this Sep. 20 2013, 5:51 pm

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. For me, I would have made of more of a challenge for them to adjust to the delta quadrant. They always seemed to have enough of everything- with no effort at all (give or take and episode). How would their journey be different? I don't know. Maybe it's just me. Thoughts? 

Captain Plunjer

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Report this Sep. 21 2013, 12:24 am

it was a great series, i wouldnt change too much.... but


- Would have liked to see them either have Chakotay and Janeway end up together over the forced on 7 of 9-chakotay love affair ... or at minimum i would have liked them leave that door open for us to speculate after endgame.


- would have liked Janeway to have asked Q in any 1 of the 3-4 episodes he was in to help them out and get back to earth ... Janeway had helped Q in just about every episode he was in ... seemed like a reasonable request.


- would have liked to see nelix come back to earth with them.


 


 

2takesfrakes

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Report this Sep. 21 2013, 3:07 am

I would've liked to have seen VOYAGER
getting more beat up looking, as the
show progressed. So that by the time
the ship found it's way back, it would
have looked worse for wear.


Also, because of the unique origins of
the crew and the situation it found itself
in, I would've definitely pushed the writers
to come up with a much edgier show, in all
areas - rather than over-reliance on formula.


Sehlat123

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Report this Sep. 21 2013, 10:54 am

Quote: Captain Plunjer @ Sep. 21 2013, 12:24 am

>

>it was a great series, i wouldnt change too much.... but

>- Would have liked to see them either have Chakotay and Janeway end up together over the forced on 7 of 9-chakotay love affair ... or at minimum i would have liked them leave that door open for us to speculate after endgame.

>- would have liked Janeway to have asked Q in any 1 of the 3-4 episodes he was in to help them out and get back to earth ... Janeway had helped Q in just about every episode he was in ... seemed like a reasonable request.

>- would have liked to see nelix come back to earth with them.

>


I would change #1 and #3. Q did offer to get them back, but she refused. I found it a bit strange that they wrote Neelix out like they did. He was still around in Endgame, so it's not like he quit the show.


Anyway, I'd change a lot about the series. For one, I thought the two crews blended two fast. It was barely 3 episodes before everyone was settled in and happy. Sure, there were a few bad Maquis, but Chakotay really blended in within the first few episodes. That seemed really unrealistic.


I would have handled the Borg differently. I loved the two-part Borg episodes, but they sort of made them out to be not a big threat. They probably should have been around less, and been more fierce.


I would considerably change the season finale. DS9 had a big sendoff. Voyager should have at least had a build up. I would have liked to see matters getting worse throughout the last season. It was like one day was another normal day in the delta quadrant, and then they decided to come home. I don't have a problem with (much of) Endgame itself, but they could have handled it better.


That's what was wrong with the series. It was not handled well in a lot of respect. Still a great show, though.


"Borg. Sounds Swedish."

Mugatu_for_Two

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Report this Sep. 21 2013, 1:49 pm

I don't know what I would change about Voyager? While the idea of a beat up Starship trying to get home in unknown territory is a cool idea, I don't think it would have worked for a seven season series. They did touch on that with "Year of Hell" and "Equinox", both excellent two parters.


The notion of a Starfleet/Maquis conflict could have been played up more but it was a minor episode theme throughout the series and I don't really know how far you could take it. 


I guess the only change I would make would be with the characters. Remember when Chakotay hated Tuvok and Paris hated Chakotay. I would have liked to see that conflict devolped and ultimately resolved, instead of doing a reset ignore. Also Chakotay and Janeway. I didn't want to see a romantic relationship but I would have liked to see their freindship evolve in a better way.

Jeen Luck Pickerd

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Report this Sep. 21 2013, 4:11 pm

I agree Sehlat123 those are some good ideas.


 


Also, am I the only one that didn't really like Endgame? (they violated the prime directive so many times that they should have just used the array to get home)


the only other thing I did not really like is that the borg were so....weak. In tng they were this unstopable force, but in voyager they were very much beatable

Captain Plunjer

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Report this Sep. 21 2013, 6:06 pm

I would have handled the Borg differently. I loved the two-part Borg episodes, but they sort of made them out to be not a big threat. They probably should have been around less, and been more fierce.


 


with the borg.....it could only go down after Best of both worlds 1 and 2 .... they at that point had created the perfect enemy .... and even though data found a way to put the borg to sleep ... the borg mystic itself didnt lose any luster from that .... 


but it would have been impossible to have them encounter a cube that could destory a fleet of ships every time they had an episode with the them so they watered the borg down .. to the point where janeway was able to outmanuever multiple borg ships when ever they enountered them .... (yes i know that 7 of 9's un derstanding of the borg did give voyager a unique defense against the borg, but still...) they also didnt do the borg any justice in the first TNG movie.

Captain Plunjer

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Report this Sep. 21 2013, 6:32 pm

The notion of a Starfleet/Maquis conflict could have been played up more but it was a minor episode theme throughout the series and I don't really know how far you could take it. 


 


although it didnt bother me much  .. i do agree that the 2 ships blended allot quicker then i would have thought... especially Chakotay who was very much on board with federation principles right after the episode with the event horizon where he went to bat for b'lanna to be chief engineer. 


there were many episodes centered around the Kazan the first few years (which werent even all that interesting an enemy) ....  i would have used some of those episodes to deal with the further exploration of the 2 crews uniting.


 


 

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Report this Sep. 22 2013, 11:28 am

I would have kept the continuing story arcs that were more or less abandoned in Season Three.  I also would have kept the crews a little bit more at loggerheads more frequently in the first half of the series.


Ultimately I think I would have TRULY made this a spinoff/continuation of TNG by introducing a few of the characters in Season Seven of TNG.  Then open "Season Eight" with "Caretaker" and we already know and love a few of the crew members.


I would have had Harry Kim get demoted for his constant insubordination, and I also would have had him as a matter-of-fact gay character.


I would have used the Borg less, but also referenced everything about previous Borg battles.  Obviously the more they fought them the easier it would get, especially with Seven's help.


I would have called Seven of Nine SEVENTH of Nine or Annika.


I would have kept Seska as a recurring villain, on her own course but crossing paths with them once-twice per season.  Despite her nefarious ways, she is getting no farther than Voyager.  I also would have kept her baby as Chakotay's, to be raised on Voyager.


After "Resolutions," I would have paired Chakotay and Janeway romantically briefly.  Janeway would be pregnant, but remain in stern control (a parable for the future) of Voyager.  (It really baffled me that they didn't make more of the 100+ individuals on the ships' dating lives, or babies, or saying THERE WILL BE NO CHILDREN, etc.)


For that matter, I would have made the plot of "Resolutions" spread over several episodes; they contract the disease in one episode (as a B-plot), get quarantined (sp?) in another, then are dropped on New Earth; then a few episodes later, a cure is found.


I would have used Vorik and other "B" level crew members more frequently.


I also agree with the poster (and this should be no surprise given my above comments) about "Endgame" coming out of nowhere.


 


I wouldn't have aged Naomi Wildman.


 


Finally, I would have switched to calling it the BETA QUADRANT since by most accounts they had to have been in or VERY near that in the seventh season.  Logically, the characters would often flub, i.e., "Being stuck in the Delta Quadrant...er, Beta Quadrant, 30 years from home...," etc.


 Don't get me wrong...I LOVE Voyager, probably more steadily than any other show, though it's not my favourite, I skip FAR fewer episodes of this show than any others.  The reason I can't call it my favourite is, as another poster mentioned, it fell too quickly into the formulaic style that had made TNG a success.  But it didn't give Voyager its own "feel" like DS9 and TOS had.


 (Oh and in case it wasn't obvious...I actually did a spec ep guide for the entire series of Voyager.) 


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Report this Oct. 25 2013, 11:54 pm

I didn't like the initial computer system they used.  I'm glad they changed back to the dependable isolinear chips.


Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

Pooneil

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Report this Oct. 26 2013, 9:41 am

I recently read a book about Ernest Shackleton's expedition to the Antarctic. They got stuck in the ice and spent about a year and a half trying to get back to some semblance of civilization, battling cold and hunger and impossible odds. Every single member of the expedition survived, and the climax was an amazing voyage across the open ocean in a tiny boat.


I think Voyager could have used a bit of that sense of desperation. The struggle for survival was never a major issue -- at least no more than it had been on previous Treks.


I also would have developed the supporting cast a lot more. With such a small crew, we should have been able to recognize more of them, instead of just the main characters.

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Report this Oct. 26 2013, 6:15 pm

I also think the ship should have been more and more tattered over the years since there were no federation Starbases where the could report for repairs. Maintaining shipwide power and to all systems should have been a huge issue. I meant, think about Appollo 13, a true story where they needed to turn everything off just to save enough power to return to Earth. Instead Voyager was fortified with Borg technology. Also they should have been running out of supplies more often and have dangerous missions to replenish them. I think their final journey home should have been a really serious struggle and look impossible for them to make it so that we all would have been on the edge of our seats wondering if they would really make it home.  They could even have ended it as a cliffhanger and had us all go to the theater to see them come home. The fact that you find out that they already made it home  within the first few moments of Endgame really turned me off. I was so upset that I didn't want to watch the rest of it.  And they should have used that last year to wrap up their loose ends with good story writing. For instance Tom and B'Leanna's baby could have been born in a separate episode instead of being born at the absolute last moment possible. I didn't like that either. All of a sudden the writers were in one big hurry to just finish the series off in one fell swoop.

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Report this Oct. 26 2013, 6:27 pm

However, I also want to add, hats off to all the actors and actresses on Voyager!! They were my favorite crew of all of Star Trek and I loved them all. 

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Report this Oct. 28 2013, 10:52 pm

Nothing


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Report this Nov. 04 2013, 8:39 am

I would have scrapped the Borg/Admiral from the future plot for something more down to earth.


I think Star Trek stories touch more when we can recognise something about our own lives in them. Episodes such as Workforce pt 1 and 2 did this perfectly in an unmatched way. 


Endgame was too sudden, too fantastical: I mean come on? An Admiral from the future, who happens to be an older version of Janeway? Although it was great to see the remaining members of the elderly crew interacting on earth, it was just too weird.


 


endgame was a loss. Actually I found a lot of the final season a bit far-fetched.

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