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EmpokNorStationManager

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Report this Oct. 23 2013, 7:19 pm

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Oct. 22 2013, 9:09 pm

>In keeping with your bruised apple analogy, no matter how much paring you do the apple is eventually going to rot. Also, some people don't like apples but that doesn't mean they hate fruit.

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To be perfectly clear, my problem with the Constitution is not with the freedoms and rights it ensures but rather with the republican government that it established and the intentions of the men who drafted it. What I am advocating for is direct democracy and what I would propose for starters is a national initiative.


 


Okay - considering the vast population of the US, and coupled with the fact that most of us have day jobs and families that consume the majority of our time - how would you propose to structure this direct democracy?  If you're talking about my team at work, that's managable....  anything more that a couple hundred people - I struggle with the logistics...  I'm willing to entertain your proposal if you're willing to lay it out for me...  


That is all.... Empok Nor Station Manager

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Report this Oct. 24 2013, 9:21 am

Quote: EmpokNorStationManager @ Oct. 23 2013, 7:19 pm

>Okay - considering the vast population of the US, and coupled with the fact that most of us have day jobs and families that consume the majority of our time - how would you propose to structure this direct democracy?  If you're talking about my team at work, that's managable....  anything more that a couple hundred people - I struggle with the logistics...  I'm willing to entertain your proposal if you're willing to lay it out for me...  
"Direct Democracy"?  As in what well known socialist Noam Chomsky wants?  There's a reason that Democracy is also called "Tyranny of the Majority."  I've seen it referenced to as "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."

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Report this Oct. 25 2013, 4:38 pm

Don't Vulcans (and a number of other races) take a direct vote on issues?  They trust that citizens will either do what is best for their society or, at least, do what they think is in their own interest.  Hopefully, the majority of voters will choose the best path. 


Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

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Report this Nov. 01 2013, 7:10 am

Quote: EmpokNorStationManager @ Oct. 23 2013, 7:19 pm

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Oct. 22 2013, 9:09 pm

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>In keeping with your bruised apple analogy, no matter how much paring you do the apple is eventually going to rot. Also, some people don't like apples but that doesn't mean they hate fruit.

>
To be perfectly clear, my problem with the Constitution is not with the freedoms and rights it ensures but rather with the republican government that it established and the intentions of the men who drafted it. What I am advocating for is direct democracy and what I would propose for starters is a national initiative.

 

Okay - considering the vast population of the US, and coupled with the fact that most of us have day jobs and families that consume the majority of our time - how would you propose to structure this direct democracy?  If you're talking about my team at work, that's managable....  anything more that a couple hundred people - I struggle with the logistics...  I'm willing to entertain your proposal if you're willing to lay it out for me...  


Logistically, the article I linked to in my last post lays it out pretty straightforwardly.


As for having jobs and families, I think the fact we're here discussing this on a Star Trek forum proves that it's not lack of time but lack of motivation that is the problem. I've suggested before that this is a direct result of republicanism itself. With no real legislative power the majority becomes apathetic about voting and politics.


Bam - "Direct Democracy"?  As in what well known socialist Noam Chomsky wants?  There's a reason that Democracy is also called "Tyranny of the Majority."  I've seen it referenced to as "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."


And republicanism is a flock of sheep voting on which of the wolves gets to eat first.

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