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Into Darkness Haters Are Illogical

Dude108

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Report this Sep. 10 2013, 8:43 am

I cover sci-fi for an awesome website called ActionAGoGo.com (the internet's biggest supplier of explosions!)

Have seen many haters online since Star Trek Into Darkness was released this past summer. With the Bluray hitting the shelves as of today, wrote a post in defense of the film.

Here's the link:

http://www.actionagogo.com/2013/09/star-trek-into-darkness-haters.html


Roddenberry wasn't about closed-minded time-worn dogma. He was about looking to the future. Building on the past without clinging to it.

No need to click on the link if it's just to complain about Abrams' efforts.

If you like the article, please share. From what I've experienced, the haters seem to be the most vocal, which is sad.


In ten or twenty years, when a new generation discovers Trek, they won't be lambasting Abrams. They'll be applauding his skill at bringing an old franchise back to life.

Thanks!

moe.ives

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Report this Sep. 10 2013, 10:36 am

I bought my DVD today.

Sora

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Report this Sep. 10 2013, 1:50 pm

I absolutely love Into Darkness. It was a huge step up from Star Trek 2009. Into Darkness has made me love this new movie series of Star Trek.

JoCat

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Report this Sep. 10 2013, 7:12 pm

Into Darkness was a great movie to watch and I saw it twice at the theatre. Also it was the only blockbuster movie that I saw this summer. I like all the new cast too. You can tell they all worked hard on this movie to make it a great story.

Dude108

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Report this Sep. 11 2013, 2:24 pm

A thousand thanks to everyone for your kind words and awesomeness.


And Sora? I love your icon! Am a huge ENT fan!

LLAP.

Vger23

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Report this Sep. 12 2013, 11:24 am

I thought Into Darkness was a very good, entertaining movie. It was a "crowd pleaser," but also contained some good Trek elements. The cast was PHENOMENAL in this film and the performances should make the original actors proud. I saw it multiple times in the theater and I got the BluRay on Tuesday. Very cool stuff.


 


That said, I can honestly understand why some Star Trek fans disliked or even "hated" it. STID took some very bold risks. Those kinds of things are very polarizing for hardcore fans. While I've been a fan for 35 years and I thought it was a GREAT film, I remember seeing it on opening night and thinking "ok...THIS might drive some fans %$#@ crazy...!" So, I understand if some people had a bad reaction to it.


I for one like the fact that the creators do risky and controversial things with the franchise. I think part of the reason Star Trek on television got "stale" for some is that there were very little risks taken... and when the producers DID take risks the fans generally revolted. But, I dig it. I think it's cool to have my perception of what "good" Star Trek is challenged and re-defined. For that, I really appreciate the new films and the direction they have gone it.


 

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Sep. 12 2013, 1:11 pm

Isn't it interesting that anyone who doesn't bow down and kiss JJ's feet and love his new JJTrek are considered "haters" instead of just allowed to have their own opinion?  Does everyone expect that the other side just "shut up and sit down?"  Sounds like the Borg....

Dude108

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Report this Sep. 12 2013, 1:55 pm

@BamBam. No. Obviously not everyone who disliked it was a hater. However, I would classify those who were most vocal in their distaste for the film as "haters."

Yes, I know, "hate" is a strong word. Original intention was simply to use it as the younger generation today utitlizes it: "haters gonna hate."

When I or most others don't like something, we usually just move on.

But since STID came out, there is a strong voice online....Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr and so forth....that treats the film as if it were an abomination unto all things "Trek Holy." Saw one poll that listed STID as the worst Trek film. Really? REALLY? Did any of those people see Star Trek V? Conceivably not only the worst Trek ever made, but maybe the worst movie ever made in general.

Being critical of those extreme in their negative views of STID isn't being Borg-like. Quite the opposite. For those that strongly and consistantly maintain their venom towards STID, all in the name of "Trek purity" or Trek canon are the ones tied into a hive mind.

Don't like the movie? That's cool. Let it go. Move on. Promote what you like, not what you hate.

Going online and portraying it as an affront to Gene Roddenberry and Trekkies in general isn't just voicing an opinion. It's the proflagation of untruths.

And in case you didn't read the actual article, here's a link included within it, displaying what a review of "Wrath of Khan" would've looked like if the internet existed back in the early 1980s:


http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/if-the-internet-had-existed-when-wrath-of-khan-hit-theaters.php


There's a whole new generation out there discovering Trek. I myself ended up watching all five series, and am now on my second run through, because of Abrams' 2009 flick.

No...I don't "bow at his feet," and I don't expect others to do so either. However, I would like to shake his hand and say "Thanks." He's a master craftsman, and were it not for him, I might not have discovered the wonderment, truth and awesomeness that the five series have to offer.

I don't expect others to "shut up and sit down." But don't expect to me either.

Live long and prosper.

hawkdoc60

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Report this Sep. 12 2013, 6:07 pm

I think Abram's efforts at re-creating Star Trek with the altered time line is absolutely great.  For one, it opens up Star Trek to a whole new generation of future Trekkies.  Prior to 2009's movie by Abrams, it had been years since a fresh, and might I add, GOOD Trek movie.  Secondly, by changing the reality, it allows for an all new series of adventures that do not have to adhere to a strict pre-written timeline.  It will allow for new aliens at different times, and, of course, new conflicts.  If he had tried to re-write the movies under the old scheme, you would be having "haters" complaining about it not being accurate.  He did the right thing.  I think Abrams has definitely breathed new life into the Trek universe.  


With this said, I applaud Abrams and his creations, and the haters can go watch their old movies if they don't like it.


I think "into Darkness" was better than 2009's movie, personally.

erictan

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Report this Sep. 12 2013, 10:28 pm

A lot of haters are huge fans of TNG, and are constantly demanding that the storyline of TNG resume ASAP.  THey demand a return to the Star Trek themes of exploration, discovery, science, harmony and peace.  But...let's not forget that of the movies, the most successful have nothing to do with those themes.  The good ones were also directed by, gasp! yikes! blasphemy!, directors who were unfamiliar with Trek.What happened to TV Trek which had those themes?  Did it become boring and predictable?  Where is the drama and conflict?  Star Trek is not a documentary about how we will live in the future.  Without solid storytelling, it fails.  Granted, the new movies are not without flaws, some rather big ones too, but they are successful at bringing in new fans and at making Paramount loads of cash, and that's the bottom line, isn't it.


If a new Trek TV series comes after J.J. Abrams trilogy (is it a trilogy?), then we should expect the haters to continue hating for a very long time.  Look at the quality television we can get these days, with some really amazing great shows on cable.  Star Trek on TV will only survive the ratings war if it can do as well or better than good established shows...

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Sep. 13 2013, 4:02 am

Quote: Dude108 @ Sep. 12 2013, 1:55 pm

>Don't like the movie? That's cool. Let it go. Move on. Promote what you like, not what you hate.

Going online and portraying it as an affront to Gene Roddenberry and Trekkies in general isn't just voicing an opinion. It's the proflagation of untruths.

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>I don't expect others to "shut up and sit down." But don't expect to me either.
Well the way I see your writing, it seems like you're not happy with people who don't like the JJTrek and really don't want to hear a different opinion (even calling them "haters" and "illogical".)  Even in this last post (which I only show a couple of sentences,) it sounds like people should only talk about what they like, not what they dislike.


I think it's okay for people to say what they like/love and dislike/hate.  I just prefer that they explain why they have their opinion about it and be willing to accept that others have a different opinion.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Sep. 13 2013, 4:10 am

Quote: Dude108 @ Sep. 12 2013, 1:55 pm

>Saw one poll that listed STID as the worst Trek film. Really? REALLY? Did any of those people see Star Trek V? Conceivably not only the worst Trek ever made, but maybe the worst movie ever made in general.
Yea, I was surprised by that poll too, but that doesn't invalidate it just because someone else disagrees.  I think poll results are always interesting and a lot can be attributed to how the question was asked and to whom.

willowtree

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Report this Sep. 13 2013, 10:09 am

the only thing that's illogical is giving someone a hard time for a different opinion


some people liked the movie and some people didn't. get over it


 


and in all honesty what's wrong with being a hater? are there no movies that you hate? that you refuse to watch, that you just can't tolerate?

Dude108

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Report this Sep. 13 2013, 10:43 am

Man. Trollers gonna troll.

Said what I needed to say above.

Live long and prosper.

willowtree

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Report this Sep. 13 2013, 10:47 am

LOL, that was trolling? talk about illogical

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