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AtoZ2

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Report this Sep. 04 2013, 4:02 pm

Only watched Star Trek Into Darkness once on opening night. I wasn't pleased with what I saw, but I did like the acting very much.


Months later I am going to watch the DVD a few times to see if my opinion changes....rarely do my first impressions about any thing ever change.


I did watch it last night, and I must say I am still impressed with just how talented these new actors really are.


Slowly I am beginning to see what the writers were trying to do...I just don't agree with their end result. I can grasp the new Khan beginning story and can se how it would have even work...I am just not liking the take off on STTWOK thing.


The whole thing could have worked just fine with out that inclusion.


But for the record, I would still have preferred something completely different with out the use of Khan at all.


 


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Report this Sep. 05 2013, 2:49 pm

Quote: AtoZ2 @ Sep. 04 2013, 4:02 pm

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>Only watched Star Trek Into Darkness once on opening night. I wasn't pleased with what I saw, but I id like the acting very much.

>Months later I am going to watch the DVD a few times to see if my opinion changes....rarely do my first impressions about any thing ever change.

>I did watch it last night, and I must say I am still impressed with just how talented these new actors really are.

>Slowly I am beginning to see what the writers were trying to do...I just don't agree with their end result. I can grasp the new Khan beginning story and can se how it would have even work...I am just not liking the take off on STTWOK thing.

>The whole thing could have worked just fine with out that inclusion.

>But for the record, I would still have preferred something completely different with out the use of Khan at all.

>


I'm glad that you enjoyed Into Darkness better this time. I actually wasn't crazy about 2009 on my first viewing, but liked it better after seeing it a few times. I really loved Into Darkness and I can't wait to see it again on Tuesday when I get the blu-ray. But nothing these movies do bothers me, because I view these films for what they are, remakes.


This is a new remake film series. It started over and re-did things. I know the majority prefers the term reboot, but I don't feel like that term applies. TNG was more of a reboot to Star Trek than 2009 is.


Here's my reasoning,


first off, Roddenberry was behind TNG, he supported it, and TNG was a continuation of TOS. While you didn't have to know every episode of TOS by heart, you did need to know how things work in the Trekverse, to have seen the movies up to that point and so forth. TNG brought Star Trek back and let it continue. It didn't try to erase or replace, but continue on through time. It worked as a reboot and as a sequel.


Then of course DS9 and Voyager and Enterprise all added to this vast story. All of the series and movies all fit together, and all work together. Now when Enterprise ended, Star Trek was officially over. It was declared completed and ended. In 2005 and 2006, nobody really expected any more Star Trek. It had run it's course, which was very awesome, 6 series, 30 seasons, 10 movies, 715 episodes. So while many fans were sad Star Trek was over, most of us were willing to accept it because of how much Star Trek we have. Now several years later, a NEW group of people, came in to make a new movie, with new writers and producers, new director, new everything. With the exception of having Leonard Nimoy play "old Spock" I don't think anybody returned from any previous Trek.


Now this new movie, called "Star Trek" nothing extra. You know just from that, this is not a continuation. This isn't Star Trek 11, this isn't something that just comes after Nemesis. This is modern day Star Trek 1. This movie starts over, and re-hashes and re-addresses all of the characters, because it doesn't require to know anything about Star Trek. This is the first movie. It's bringing you into the story, telling you who your characters are and what they're about. Now for us veterans, we probably found that to be redundant, we already know who these characters are, we've watched them years, we don't need it explained. Why would a simple reboot to continue Star Trek rehash things its audience should already know? Because it's not a reboot that's why. Remake.


This movie took elements from original Star Trek, and re-did them, and then threw in some new elements. We had elements taken from TOS, from TAS and from the original TOS movies.


This movie treats Star Trek, like Star Trek is brand new. Like we don't know what it is, like we've never heard of it before. This was the first movie.


The 2nd movie Star Trek Into Darkness, was a remake more or less of the original Star Trek II. I don't have a problem with this at all. I thought it was pretty cool. I look forward to see if the 3rd movie ends up being some type of remake of the original Star Trek III or maybe one of the other TOS movies. I think a remake of VI would be pretty epic done today.


New fans love it because original Star Trek was made decades ago. Even the most recent series is over a decade old now. New young people, they don't want to watch old stuff most of the time. Granted I'm only 24 myself, but I've been watching Star Trek since I was 9, and I grew up with the old stuff, so I actually like it better than anything new.


90 percent of your new viewers, are incredibly overwhelmed by the amount of classic Star Trek there is, and they don't want to mess with it. For the kids and teenagers today who get into the new movies, they weren't even born or had just been born when the old stuff was around.


So with all that in mind, they can do just about anything in these new movies, and I will probably be alright with it. Because none of the new stuff has any impact on my classic Trek at all. I am very laid back about it for that reason.


I love the new movies, but I love Classic Star Trek more, and with that in mind as well, modern day Trek will never pass original Trek for me. But I am very excited to see Into Darkness again next week, and even more excited for what they might do in the 3rd movie.


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