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Why has the trek story haulted at voyager

Captain Plunjer

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Report this Sep. 02 2013, 9:21 pm

What has been the reluctance by everyone involved in star trek not to continue on the story telling from the star date near, slighty after or a some years after voyager? .. every idea since voyager has been moving backwards .... 


With little thought, they could come up with a hit just by taking the TNG, DS9 and Voyager endings and using something from there to re-start the story...  not to mention that there has also always been a handful of trek characters and part time trek charcters that have been willing to continue the story ... (look at renegade and gods of men as examples of that) .... 


you know i personally havt met many trek fans that have fully endorced the backwards story telling... the fans want and will endorse a show moving forward..... i wish i understood the reluctance to do that.

Hegemony.Cricket

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Report this Sep. 03 2013, 4:26 am

From what I gather, Berman and Braga were approached with the idea of doing another spin-off after Voyager, and they had to fight for the idea of doing something new. They had no interest in just sticking a crew on the Intrepid and doing another TNG/ Voyager-style show . They were bored with it, and wanted to try something new and take a risk. Sadly, that risk didn't pay off.


Another thing that came up when Enterprise was beginning was a desire to get away from the hyper-competence of the 24th century. Writers were having a hard time coming up with credible threats and relatable situations. By going back in time, the thought was that you could have less evolved humans working with fewer magical solutions to every problem. As a result, they were able to almost completely ditch the "technobabble" which was common throughout TNG.


It's hard to say whether a 24th century show would have been more successful. It would have allowed them to buy a larger audience by seeding the story for the spin-off throughout the final seasons of Voyager (they way they set up Voyager in TNG and DS9). Jumps in time are also jumping off points for fans in any genre, and the whole idea of prequels came with negative baggage thanks to George Lucas. Still, the dwindling ratings for the spin-offs indicates that people had started to take Star Trek for granted, and I don't know if "business as usual" would have turned that around.

hptrek

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Report this Sep. 03 2013, 10:42 am

Quote: Hegemony.Cricket @ Sep. 03 2013, 4:26 am

> >Another thing that came up when Enterprise was beginning was a desire to get away from the hyper-competence of the 24th century. Writers were having a hard time coming up with credible threats and relatable situations. By going back in time, the thought was that you could have less evolved humans working with fewer magical solutions to every problem. As a result, they were able to almost completely ditch the "technobabble" which was common throughout TNG.


Ive never understood why people feel techno-babble is a bad thing. IMO its one of the most endearing things about the series. That and the idyllic, utopian society humans had created for ourselves. It showed that there was the possibility of a society with more mainstream intelligence, peace and morality. Striving to be less evolved is negative backward thinking. I wasnt ready for TNG to end. They could have(should have)continued it just as it was, techno-babble and all. 


Captain Plunjer

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Report this Sep. 03 2013, 4:14 pm

Quote: Hegemony.Cricket @ Sep. 03 2013, 4:26 am

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>From what I gather, Berman and Braga were approached with the idea of doing another spin-off after Voyager, and they had to fight for the idea of doing something new. They had no interest in just sticking a crew on the Intrepid and doing another TNG/ Voyager-style show . They were bored with it, and wanted to try something new and take a risk. Sadly, that risk didn't pay off.

>Another thing that came up when Enterprise was beginning was a desire to get away from the hyper-competence of the 24th century. Writers were having a hard time coming up with credible threats and relatable situations. By going back in time, the thought was that you could have less evolved humans working with fewer magical solutions to every problem. As a result, they were able to almost completely ditch the "technobabble" which was common throughout TNG.

>It's hard to say whether a 24th century show would have been more successful. It would have allowed them to buy a larger audience by seeding the story for the spin-off throughout the final seasons of Voyager (they way they set up Voyager in TNG and DS9). Jumps in time are also jumping off points for fans in any genre, and the whole idea of prequels came with negative baggage thanks to George Lucas. Still, the dwindling ratings for the spin-offs indicates that people had started to take Star Trek for granted, and I don't know if "business as usual" would have turned that around.

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thanks for the info... was an interesting read/take. 

Mugatu_for_Two

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Report this Sep. 03 2013, 5:16 pm

I agree with what was written above. It was Berman and Braga trying to take ST in another direction to avoid what they percieved as fan fatigue. They knew that they were going to lose fans with a prequel but they gambled that if it was different enough it could attract new fans. It didn't work out. "Enterprise" wasn't the only series idea being considereded either. There was a pitch for a post Voyager series about a team of elite Starfleet officers who responded to emergencys around the Federation but B and B really pushed for a prequel.

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Report this Sep. 04 2013, 8:36 am

Quote: Mugatu_for_Two @ Sep. 03 2013, 5:16 pm

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>I agree with what was written above. It was Berman and Braga trying to take ST in another direction to avoid what they percieved as fan fatigue. They knew that they were going to lose fans with a prequel but they gambled that if it was different enough it could attract new fans. It didn't work out. "Enterprise" wasn't the only series idea being considereded either. There was a pitch for a post Voyager series about a team of elite Starfleet officers who responded to emergencys around the Federation but B and B really pushed for a prequel.

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I always thought it would be fun to follow a mercenary Klingon ship's adventures, as seen through the eyes of an outsider.  (At first, I thought of a Vulcan or Romulan; but, after those planets were taken out of the equation, perhaps a Cardassian.)  Dissatified with the Star Trek Academy, he helps members of the crew in a barfight, and they invite him to join them--at least, on a trial basis.  He manages to survive and hold his own aboard the ship and develops a helpful library of stellar cartography maps, becoming a valuable navigator.  (He buys maps from Yridian traders, whenever he can.)


Most Star Trek shows have been "squeaky-clean," so this would give the series a bit of a different perspective.


Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

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