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Simon Pegg curses out disappointed trekkies

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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 5:16 am

Wikipedia is a crowdsourced website and that statement is not sourced. 


But by all means,  continue to throw rocks at the sun when it comes to the cancellation of ENT.

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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 7:39 am

Actually there was some merit to the quotation he gave. Brannon Braga and Scott Bakula confirm a lot of those things on the Enterprise season 2 blu-ray. They said that some people honestly did want to watch it, but they couldn't get UPN. They didn't say that was the only reason for cancelation. But it was simply a factor that played into it.


Brannon said there really is no one answer or easy answer for the question of cancelation.


He said many things played into it. It really is too bad, if season 3 hadn't been cut short, it's possible it would have made it to 7 seasons. Season 3 was cut down to 24 episodes, whereas the standard for a Trek season was always 26. Season 4 also got cut down to 22. Enterprise wound up with a total of 97 episodes. I have heard that if they had made it to 100 episodes, they could have become syndicated, and that syndication might have kept them going. It sucks they wound up missing the mark by 3 episodes. If season 3 and 4 had been full seasons there would have been 103 episodes by the end of Season 4. We might have at least gotten a 5th season.

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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 9:23 am

Actors tend to be sensitive individuals, but I have read biographies of some of the greatest actors--stars on stage and on the screen!--and they all realize that not all their efforts are the best or not well-received by the public, for whatever reasons.


They usually get over it, once their next project comes along.


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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 11:39 am

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>The J.J.Abrams S.T. is not MY S.T.(I started watching when I was 14.I am now 60) THe use of alternate time line helps get past the mythlogy of S.T. Sorry, but I think J.J. did a cheap trick. Each of the first movies followed, I believe, teaching of Gene Roddenberry. I enjoyed Pegg's Scotty, it was comic relief.

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I'm wondering if JJ was actually thinking it was going to be an "alternate" timeline, or if after so many Trekkies complained, someone came up with that to excuse it.

But of course... he was supposed to be doing a "remake" or "reboot"... so why an alternate timeline?


 


It says that incredible clearly in the 2009 movie...it was rather obvious that was the intent the whole time so that JJ would try to leave canon behind...its a reboot of the franchise, not TOS...Star Trek is rife with alternate realities...I mean the Mirror Universe and the whole TNG episode of Parallels are alternate realities and they are fine..The new trek is being criticized for its darker tones...so what about Mirror Mirror and all those DS9 crossover episodes?...they are totally fine for trekkies...


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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 12:18 pm

Yeah We're fine woth the "Mirror Episodes since the involve the Prime Universe People and their Mirrior Counterparts and by the end of the episode everything is back to normal, whereas with NuTrek thats not the case, it a whole DIFFERENT timeline not just a parallel universe. And Honestly Some of my Biggest Gripes with NuTrek is the fact that JJ couldn't be bothered to even get some of the more minute differences right, like Where the Enterprise was built, or the fact that The Bridge looks like an apple store while engineering looks like a Brewery (I mean I know Scotty loves his scotch and romulan ale but that don't mean he brews his own alcohol).


I haven't Seen STID yet but when I do I'm sure my gripes are going to be more with the minute differences than with the whole theme being Darker than the rest of Trek. I mean my Favorite series is DS9 (With TOS a close Second) and the reason DS9 was my Favorite was because the overall Darker Theme allowed the writers to write stuff that in any of the other series would have seemed like an overly depressing tone and as such The Darker overall Tone in DS9 compelled you to think about some of the topics they presented. Where I feel like the Darker Tone in JJ's movies don't compel a person to think about anything really all the Darker tone is in JJ's movies (in my opinion) is just a tone nothing more.


And I have To Say I'm Actually a little Disappointed In Pegg for cursing out Trekkies. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to have his own opinion but cussing out people is not the right way to go about expressing your opinion. But Also I'd have to agree with my fellow Trekkies about STID being a bad movie since from what I've heard about it there are many themes from Wrath of Kahn and in my opinion the minute you make an obvious copy of something from another movie especially something from another movie in the SAME Franchise it automatically lowers the rank I'd give said movie. I mean I have the same feelings for Nemesis as well. And Generations..... Well I'd give that movie a low ranke simply because Kirk was killed off by a bridge falling on him, I mean if it had been a Starship's Bridge that fell on him it wouldn't have been quite so bad but no it was just a normal everyday bridge that anyone could see built on earth today.

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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 12:32 pm

Quote: NCC-1864 @ Aug. 27 2013, 11:39 am

>It says that incredible clearly in the 2009 movie...it was rather obvious that was the intent the whole time so that JJ would try to leave canon behind...its a reboot of the franchise, not TOS...Star Trek is rife with alternate realities...I mean the Mirror Universe and the whole TNG episode of Parallels are alternate realities and they are fine..The new trek is being criticized for its darker tones...so what about Mirror Mirror and all those DS9 crossover episodes?...they are totally fine for trekkies...
But "rebooting" Star Trek into an alternate timeline doesn't make sense.  It doesn't add to Trek, it divides it.  Oh... and having Spock go back in time means that the timeline is changed - wiping out the prime timeline.  I don't remember seeing anything in the movie saying that the event pushed Spock into a different reality like a mirror universe.  It's closer to "Yesterday's Enterprise" where Tasha goes back and later, Picard has to deal with her daughter, Sela.


I've never had a problem with us playing in the Mirror Universe or alternate timelines once in a while, but at the end of the day, we come back to our own universe/timeline.

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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 12:38 pm

But as you say its a different time...it wasnt build yet so it changes (place it was made)....as does its makeup (brewery, bridge)...the other starfleet ships were ones not in TOS or the movies...and that is the thing: MINUTE differences...not huge things..but I realize JJ's new trek is not classic trek at all


 


And the darker tone has so much metaphorical value that is crucial to trek...The response to terrorism, corruption at high levels, self defense, Drone strikes, and (often underscored) the Mujahideen: the fact that Harrison/Khan is Osama Bin Laden, made to fight the Klingons (the Russians, as they always were) and was given lateral power with weapons (Stinger missiles), and attacks his former supporters (US), being hunted down for execution by drone strike (like his number two man)....STID had more metaphorical value than FC, a first rate Trek movie (that I really liked) with action and one that could be understood if you werent a hardcore fan


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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 12:41 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Aug. 27 2013, 12:32 pm

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>It says that incredible clearly in the 2009 movie...it was rather obvious that was the intent the whole time so that JJ would try to leave canon behind...its a reboot of the franchise, not TOS...Star Trek is rife with alternate realities...I mean the Mirror Universe and the whole TNG episode of Parallels are alternate realities and they are fine..The new trek is being criticized for its darker tones...so what about Mirror Mirror and all those DS9 crossover episodes?...they are totally fine for trekkies...
But "rebooting" Star Trek into an alternate timeline doesn't make sense.  It doesn't add to Trek, it divides it.  Oh... and having Spock go back in time means that the timeline is changed - wiping out the prime timeline.  I don't remember seeing anything in the movie saying that the event pushed Spock into a different reality like a mirror universe.  It's closer to "Yesterday's Enterprise" where Tasha goes back and later, Picard has to deal with her daughter, Sela.

I've never had a problem with us playing in the Mirror Universe or alternate timelines once in a while, but at the end of the day, we come back to our own universe/timeline.


I think your observation is incorrect...The Defiant (In a Mirror Darkly) went to the Mirror Universe but the Prime timeline was still there....


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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 12:45 pm

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>I think your observation is incorrect...The Defiant (In a Mirror Darkly) went to the Mirror Universe but the Prime timeline was still there....
How do we know that?  When the Defiant was taken, did we have a show afterward that shows that it still exists in the prime universe?  If I remember the episode "The Tholian Web" correctly, they never recoved the Defiant.


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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 12:50 pm

exaclty...Spock is no longer in the prime but it still exists...just like TOS continues even though the Defiant goes to an alternate reality...


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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 12:53 pm

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>exaclty...Spock is no longer in the prime but it still exists...just like TOS continues even though the Defiant goes to an alternate reality...

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The Defiant changed realities and times.  Where does it say that Spock did the same thing?  Why assume it was both instead of just going back in time?

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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 12:55 pm

Actually I need to clarify that this should be targeting Nero, not Spock...but anyway as I see it,  Quinto-Spock in the 2009 movie alludes to an alternate reality and I think it is Uhura who directly says: "An alternate reality?" and Quinto-Spock says: "Precisely"


 


The science may be wrong, but the movie  uses the words alternate reality


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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 12:58 pm

Quote: NCC-1864 @ Aug. 27 2013, 12:55 pm

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>Actually I need to clarify that this should be targeting Nero, not Spock...but anyway as I see it,  Quinto-Spock in the 2009 movie alludes to an alternate reality and I think it is Uhura who directly says: "An alternate reality?" and Quinto-Spock says: "Precisely"

>The science may be wrong, but the movie  uses the words alternate reality

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True, but any change in timeline could be inaccurately use the term "alternate reality."  Also, Spock also said "Whatever our lives might have been, if the time continuum was disrupted, our destinies have changed."  This means the timeline has changed - we're NOT in a alternate universe.

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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 1:09 pm

I am going by the movie's script and showing the INTENT of an alternate reality...that was what began this little side-conversation...as I said above, the science may be wrong but it is intended to leave the Prime alone....STO also asserts this...plus the Spock mind-meld shows that those events happened...I think...even though they are memories, would he have memories of things that didnt exist?


 


I applaud your impressive debating, but based on the fact that it is intended to be an alternate reality gives me the information to infer that the Narada and the Jellyfish were transported to an alternate reality...


 


Then again, didnt Picard wipe out the Prime universe by going back in time with the Borg? Unless that was like a predestination paradox or whatever its called...


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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 1:10 pm

sorry if my logic is way off with that post


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