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Simon Pegg curses out disappointed trekkies

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Report this Aug. 23 2013, 2:48 pm

Simon Pegg (Huffington Post interview) displayed his anger towards the Las Vegas Convention poll that placed STID dead last even after FInal Frontier and Galaxy Quest by telling the trekkies who complained about the film to well.."you know what" themselves...he based it on irritation that the hard work put into a successful movie is being utterly cast aside by bad trekkie reviews and complaints

I for one am split on this topic

I feel that we must respect the movie for what it tries to accomplish and the actors who do their parts justice (even with some bad writing) and the fact that it has raised awareness for star trek and has helped build the fanbase

However, I feel Mr. Pegg did not help 'tensions' between a portion (I dont know exactly what minority\majority) of trekkies and JJ's reboot...if anything, it does the opposite...

What do you think?

Dammit Jim I'm a trekkie, not a doctor!

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Report this Aug. 23 2013, 4:24 pm

I think that people should realize that just because someone "works hard" at something doesn't mean that it's successful.  The workers at company X can work really, really hard for a long time to create a product, but that doesn't mean that customers have to buy it if it's not useful/wanted.  If enough people like it, then the work continues - if not, try something else.

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Report this Aug. 23 2013, 5:09 pm

Exactly...I respect what they did and it is agruable that their work was not wasted and has been useful but I think that comment certainly doesnt help the situation

Dammit Jim I'm a trekkie, not a doctor!

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Report this Aug. 23 2013, 8:31 pm

I was surprised that Into Darkness came in last on that llist at the convention. I liked it well enough that I became re-interested in watching Star Trek again. I had been away from it for some time when this latest movie came out.  since watching it, I have been watching many favorite episodes of TOS,TNG, DSP, VOY, and ENT. Voyage Home continues to be my favorite Star Trek film but Into Darkness really did reboot my interest in Star Trek altogether. I also had liked Star Trek 2009 very well. 

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Report this Aug. 23 2013, 11:01 pm

I would put this movie in my top 6.


"Seek freedom and become captive of your desires, seek discipline and find your liberty." Frank Herbert(Dune)

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Report this Aug. 24 2013, 5:37 am

Yeah I liked the movies enough to rank Star Trek 2009 as my 3rd favorite Star Trek movie (behind TWOK and FC) and ranked STID as my 6th favorite (after the aforementioned and Voyage Home and Undiscovered Country)...they were fun to watch but I didnt go in thinking it would be the same brand of trek and watched it for pure enjoyment!

Dammit Jim I'm a trekkie, not a doctor!

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Report this Aug. 24 2013, 9:12 am

Once again, I had watched the movies out of order (I am really good at that!!). Therefore I had seen Into Darkness before I watched Star Trek 2009. Consequently, some parts of the story did not make sense to me. I questioned my Star Trek friends about it and they responded, "What? you DIDN'T watch Star Trek 2009?" and refused to answer my questions. So, I went home and watched it. I liked it so well that I watched it 4 or 5 times in one weekend. I also learned then that the new crew exists in this alternate reality and that floored me. Then my mind was spinning as I realized they have the freedom to create brand new stories and adventures different from the prime reality timeline.  I am looking forward to their next movie. Also, Star Trek 2009 is now my 3rd favorite movie behind Voyage Home and Undiscovered Country.

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Report this Aug. 24 2013, 5:51 pm

It's hard for the reboot movies to even be classified with the others, because they really are not the same genre. It's hard to rate a half-action movie, half-parody with an original theme about values and relationships. I also find it strange that Galaxy Quest is in there. That was just a parody.


About Pegg, he needs to learn that everyone has an opinion. Just because he worked hard doesn't mean everyone should love him. Just another case of an overpaid, insecure actor.

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Report this Aug. 25 2013, 4:10 am

For one thing, the STAR TREK reboot
was intended for GENERAL AUDIENCES,
and not STAR TREK fans, specifically.
In fact, they went out of their way to
emphasize this point in movie content
and by way of its advertising pitch. So,
for Simon Pegg to go to those very same
STAR TREK fans whom they deliberately
ignore, for love and support seems like
more of the same, to me - and insincere!


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Report this Aug. 25 2013, 5:46 am

Well that has just taken my respect for simon Pegg right down. Just because we don;t like the film enough to put at the top doesnt mean we don;t appreciate the hard work. I actually hate the film but I understand the hardwork that went into it.


I used to actually be a fan of his films but if that is the kind of stuff he tells his fans to do then he should take his advice and do you know what to himself

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Report this Aug. 25 2013, 9:24 am

Well I for one can understand his frustration. My heart goes out to these writers, producers and actors, they bust their butts for years of their lives to give us something great, that they want to be proud of, and that they want us to be proud of, and the vast majority of us spit in their faces for it.


Trekkies are the most ungrateful group of fans I know of. And yes I can get away with saying that because I am a Trekkie.


First of all, how many other shows get brought back like Star Trek has and continues to do?


How many other fans groups at there, would kill to have their favorite show or movie series revived and brought back in some way? ALOT!


How many other sci-fi shows really only get a small handful of seasons, but their fans still love it?


We as Trekkies, are VERY VERY LUCKY!!! NOBODY else gets what WE get!! When was the last time you heard that Farscape was going to launch off into a huge universe of shows? Stargate TRIED to copy what Star Trek did with creating more series, but I don't think it worked out very well. And yeah they remade Battlestar, but that's all it was, remake, and now it's over, and so is Battlestar. To my knowledge anyway.


 


So now look at what we have! We have a vast universe, bigger than anyone else's. We have 6 series that are all interconnected together, and 12 going on at least 13 movies. We have 30 seasons worth of tv series. We have 715 episodes of Star Trek(not counting The Cage, and counting the 2 hour episodes as 1).


This is all very good high quality stuff. But what do we do with all this stuff??


 


We bitch about it! We complain! Oh man we are good at complaining....we nitpick, over the most idiotic things imaginable. We will outright REFUSE to watch a certain episode or series or movie, again often for a very nitpicky stupid reason. And not only do we bitch and complain and nitpick about the show itself, we bitch, complain and nitpick about the creators! The writers! The producers! There are some of us who say some pretty awful things about these people...people who DO read what you say about them. People who have feelings, who worked hard to give YOU something that you wanted! Now let's put this into perspective for a minute....what is Star Trek? Is Star Trek a Religion? Some may follow it as such, but no. Next question, is Star Trek holy doctrine? No! What is Star Trek??.....it's entertainment! It's a tv show. Now WHY are we getting so worked up, to actually take the time out of our lives to bitch about every little thing we can come up with?


Now again this is a tv show for entertainment, if you don't like it, that's perfectly fine. There are plenty of other tv shows and movies out there, if you don't like this one. But keep it to yourself, stop ruining it for everyone else. And stop calling yourself a fan when you hate 80% of the franchise....it's stupid!


 


If you think I'm wrong, go and watch the new interviews on the Enterprise Season 2 Blu-Ray. Brannon Braga is burned out, and he is very bitter. Brannon Braga has been one of my favorite writers on Trek for many years. But there is a reason why he is bitter, and he gets into that. I could already see he was somewhat bitter in the season 1 Enterprise blu-ray, but it really came out for season 2. Just listen to what he has to say. Listen to what he says about his own work!


He hates himself and everything he's ever done practically, because of US! WE! The alledged fans who alledgedly love this franchise but do nothing but whine about it. I feel bad for him, I know how it would make me feel if it were me. He has a wonderful imagination and is an incredible writer, but we have really taken the wind out of his sails. He says straight up that he has read every word the fans have said about him on the internet. Even Scott Bakula said he had to stay away from reading what the "fans" were saying during the making of Enterprise because it was too distracting and he wanted to do a good job...the truth really comes out on this blu-ray.


As a Trekkie myself, I have never behaved this way, and I was shocked when I found out that some of my counter parts do.


 


After hearing some of the things that fans did during the making of Enterprise, I am almost ashamed to be a part of this fandom. Fans would call up the Paramount Office and cuss out writers after an episode would air. Someone took the time to go and mail Brannon Braga a bag of garbage with a note attached to it that said "This is what you've done to Star Trek"


 


REALLY?! How immature is that? How stupid is that?! If you don't like it, turn it off and go do something else. Why are we personally attacking people?! So much for IDIC. I guess that only works when we try to force it on someone else huh?


 


So you know what Simon Pegg, more power to you for having the courage to share your frustration with how you're already being treated by this spoiled and bratty fans group that resorts to behaving like 6 year olds whenever they don't get their way or don't like something.


Star Trek Into Darkness was a great movie by the way. I liked it even better than 2009. But what is it? It's a movie, it's entertainment? What is it not?? It's not holy doctrine!! It's not destroying anything!! The new movies are ultimately remakes of the original series. What is wrong with that? Nothing? Will we bitch about it? Of course we will! Because that's what we do! We don't deserve any more Star Trek because we've never taken the time to appreciate what we have. We just complain about it and then demand more and then complain about that too.


I don't know what happened, after TNG we just got really spoiled. After TOS and TNG, we complain if anything is similar in any way shape or form, whether it's a series, episode, movie, whatever. But then we also complain if it's different, saying things like "this isn't Star Trek" "Roddenberry's rolling in his grave" etc....these writers stay so stressed out because they CANNOT win with us. Plain and simple.


We really need to change our ways as a whole.

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Report this Aug. 25 2013, 9:48 am

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Aug. 25 2013, 4:10 am

>

>For one thing, the STAR TREK reboot
was intended for GENERAL AUDIENCES,
and not STAR TREK fans, specifically.
In fact, they went out of their way to
emphasize this point in movie content
and by way of its advertising pitch. So,
for Simon Pegg to go to those very same
STAR TREK fans whom they deliberately
ignore, for love and support seems like
more of the same, to me - and insincere!

>
Or he just isn't a Trekkie and doesn't understand us.  But I do think you've hit the nail on the head here - they didn't make the films for Trekkies, but are upset that so many Trekkies don't like it.

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Report this Aug. 25 2013, 10:37 am

I guess I look at this similar to my favorite sports teams.  Even though I'm a fan, that doesn't mean I always agree with their draft/trade decisions or I'm going to like them losing.  Or take my favorite artists - just because I like them overall doesn't mean I'm going to like everything they create and buy them all.


With Star Trek, we've becomed acccustomed to a certain level of excellence.  While generally, the powers that be meet/exceed that level, that doesn't mean that they always do.  Just like specific episodes are on par with others.  I'm still a Trekkie, but that doesn't mean I'm going to like/support everything that the franchise does.  I'm not a Borg drone that doesn't have any choices.

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Report this Aug. 25 2013, 11:44 am

Quote: NCC-1864 @ Aug. 23 2013, 2:48 pm

> >Simon Pegg (Huffington Post interview) displayed his anger towards the Las Vegas Convention poll that placed STID dead last even after FInal Frontier and Galaxy Quest by telling the trekkies who complained about the film to well.."you know what" themselves...he based it on irritation that the hard work put into a successful movie is being utterly cast aside by bad trekkie reviews and complaints.. What do you think?


I think this is an indicator of his character. I have seen the original HP interview, and I have read the one here.


StarTrek.com Staff: How hard is it to reconcile the fact that Star Trek Into Darkness is the most successful Star Trek film ever with the fact that some fans just flat-out hate the film?


PEGG: I know. There was a poll at a convention that called it the worst Star Trek movie. Objectively, I think that’s not true. In terms of the storytelling and technically and the filmmaking, it’s nowhere near the bottom of the list. But everyone has an opinion and I totally accept that. Just to sort of relegate in those terms as the worst, though, that kind of pisses me off and that’s why I said “F—k you” to those people. 


Mr Pegg may be a great actor and a hard worker. When he does interviews to publicize his work, he is viewed as a representative of those films to which he is referring. What celebrities say in public is(sometimes),and should be, held to a higher standard than the average personal opinion shared privately amongst "friends". For an actor to say in a public interview to an entire group of fans, "f**k you", shows to me his true character and I feel it is inexcusable. If you feel that 'everyone has an opinion' and you 'totally accept that', then why resort to "f-you", in more than one interview. How professional.



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Report this Aug. 25 2013, 1:05 pm

This is like the "apology" given over
Alice Eve's gratuitious "nudity" found
in INTO the DARKNESS. Apparently, they
they didn't feel all THAT badly about it...


The scene remained all through its theatrical run,
it's certainly on the DVDs in all of its glory. And
now, they are just switching strategies, to get
publicity. Instead of apologies to the general
public, an F Bomb is delivered to irked fanboys.


Just typical HOLLYWOOD, saying and doing anything
thoughtless and stupid, to stir the pot any way it can,
as to generate a headline for it. And people will play
into it - why? I don't know ... it's all part of the game.


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