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DS9 21st century section

startrek23cookie

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 9:10 am

During the third season there was that section about the twentieth century a bit more in the future than we are. I mean it was pretty good but it was too unrealistic. They made the show in the eighties so shouldn't they not make that drastic of changes only forty years later? That arc is only about ten years into the future for us and that looks nothing like anything we are experiencing. What do all the other fans think about it?

OtakuJo

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Report this Aug. 21 2013, 11:52 pm

You mean Past Tense part 1&2. It was set in 2024.


I must correct you first on one thing: DS9 was made in the '90s (from 1993-99).


And given the state of affairs right now, I don't think Past Tense is unrealistic at all. If anything, it's closer to the mark than a lot of the (social) predictions they made in TNG and original series (the Third World War, Khan and all that.) And I guess you haven't heard how, as they were filming the episode, a California-based newspaper reported on some political suggestion to create similar ghettos for homeless people in LA. And that was in the real-life mid-'90s.


Food for thought.


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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Aug. 23 2013, 6:07 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Aug. 21 2013, 11:52 pm

>And I guess you haven't heard how, as they were filming the episode, a California-based newspaper reported on some political suggestion to create similar ghettos for homeless people in LA. And that was in the real-life mid-'90s.
I've actually heard/read a few people talking about this, even lately with the economic situation the way it is.

Five Captains

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Report this Aug. 24 2013, 7:41 am

Personally I think even if that situation in LA did not happen that it wouldn't matter. I tend to look at even the prime universe of Star Trek as a seperate universe as our own. It makes it easier for me to see it that way considering the things that TOS and TNG have taking place in history such as Euginics War, Genocide War, so on and so forth.

rob39874

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Report this Aug. 25 2013, 3:34 am

I agree with Five captainsd because if we were in the Star Trek Universe We would have had the Eugenics war and either gearing up or in the third world war by now


Then again with all the wars we are fighting at the moment who says we aren't gearing up for world war 3

2takesfrakes

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Report this Aug. 25 2013, 8:43 am

We are not heading towards World War III ...
And STAR TREK does not represent reality.
It is entertainment, so it doesn't matter what
"universe" it is set in. Let it be "our own." It's
a show revolving around episodic morality plays
and story arcs. Why can't a certain segment of
STAR TREK fandom simply accept the stories and
plotlines for what they are and just go along with it?


kkt

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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 7:19 pm

Science fiction can serve as a warning or thought experiment, "This is what will happen if things go on" sort of thing.  That's what Past Tense was, and it did a fine job. 


As far as unrealistic, I don't think it is.  The United States in "Past Tense" doesn't call the sanctuaries prisons.  The sanctuary residents just don't have permission to travel without ID or means of support.  It wasn't that long ago that you could get on airplanes without ID.  Now several states are making it the law that you can't vote without ID.  Arizona has a law that you must show ID if challenged by a law enforcement officer.  If someone shows up at a medical facility needing lengthy mental health treatment now, I don't think they get it if they don't have insurance.  An ER will give them life-saving emergency medical care, not long-term treatment.  There are significant numbers of well-connected people who don't like seeing lots of beggars and homeless people on the downtown streets.

OtakuJo

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Report this Sep. 03 2013, 10:31 pm

They don't call the Sanctuary District a prison, but it basically is. "Sanctuary" seems here to be something of a euphemism for what might more accurately be described as a ghetto. Basically it's not about travel without ID; once your in the Sanctuary District, you have very little chance of returning to the outside world. Ever. Which of course doesn't affect the believability of the episode. Please excuse this tangent.


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Mugatu_for_Two

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Report this Sep. 04 2013, 12:16 pm

It's been a while since I've watched the episodes but I always thought that The Sanctuary District was supposed to be a commentary on the manufactured ghettos that were created in places like Chicago. A lot, if not all of Treks social commentry was based on current events and issues.


 


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