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Do we still have ranks? Can we still move up in rank?

Sora

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Report this Aug. 09 2013, 2:59 pm

We used to start as Ensign when signing up, and when you logged in, you would have your account photo and rank written out and shown when you logged in. But now all you see is your user name. I have been Commander for quite some time, which is fine, it's a pretty high rank, and I know it would take alot to make it to Captain, however, I really haven't seen anyone advance in rank anymore since this change occurred. I see more Ensigns now than ever before. And making it to Lieutenant Junior Grade is pretty easy, and I really don't see any Lieutenants anywhere anymore. Are our ranks locked down now for some reason?

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Aug. 09 2013, 8:58 pm

Remember, to make rank, it takes a combination of posts, pix and comments.


If I recall correctly, CAPT requires 5000 posts, 25 pix and an unknown number of comments.

Sora

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Report this Aug. 09 2013, 9:42 pm

Just out curiosity, how long did you spend at Commodore? And what did you have to do to make it to Rear Admiral?

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Report this Aug. 09 2013, 11:00 pm

Quote: Sora @ Aug. 09 2013, 9:42 pm

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>Just out curiosity, how long did you spend at Commodore? And what did you have to do to make it to Rear Admiral?

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I believe CDRE requires 15K posts & 30 pix and RADM requires 30K posts and 40 or 45 pix.  (plus some unknown # of comments.)


I couldn't tell you how long it took me to earn the different ranks as I've been around here for 15 years (multiple iterations of the board) and had a lot of posts before this current board was implemented, which made me jump up quite quickly.  (Actually, I have ~35K more posts, but some bug in a site update wiped out my post count a few years ago.)  Additionally, posting really depends on the activities of others - the more people there are and contributing, the more opportunities you have in contributing.  Lately, this site has really been dead compared to previous years.

Sora

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 8:42 am

Any idea why that is? I thought there was still a good bit of people who come here? I would think with the JJ Abrams still being considered new and there still being at least one more movie on the way, that keep people hyped up about Trek?

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 10:15 am

Although JJ Trek has brought in a few new people, IMO, it really has done more to divide the fanbase between a long history of Star Trek and this new "alternate timeline."  It's not like the Mirror Universe that we could peek in and come back.  Some longtime Trekkies will have nothing to do with JJ Trek, while others can accept it as an alternate timeine.  And some people joining the Trekkie ranks because of the JJ movies are lost when they go back and see the previous 40 years of content.


Also, a movie once every few years only gives us a temporary bump - it's not something that's sustainable like a TV series is.  The only other thing that we have that's pretty consistent is the books, but there are only a few of us that read the books.


The other thing is that there is absolutely no involvement here on the forums by those that actually own Star Trek.  If they were involved on the site, adding value, then I think that would drive more people here.  An example of this would be to host a discussion with the author of the latest book that was just released.  (This was something they used to do a long time ago.)


Lastly, over the last couple of years, we've had a rash of spammers and trolls that have really upset many longtime members and driven them away.  As the site Administrators are no longer really part of our community, knowing who's who, they're really slow in addressing problems.  It used to be, we knew our Administrators by name and could correspond with them, but now, it's almost impossible - sometmes going months before they respond to many complaints about some problem.

Sora

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 11:48 am

Yeah I guess you're right. Why do people get such mad over JJ Trek? If they can't consider it an alternate timeline, why can't they just consider it a remake? I mean that's what I consider it is a remake. And it's not any big deal. That's just really silly to me. And yeah I've tried to help get newbies that started with 2009 into previous Trek, and the problem is, 2009 and Into Darkness is essentially Star Trek told in a Star Wars style. So they go into previous Trek expecting and wanting more of what they got in the new movies, and it just isn't going to happen. Because that just isn't what original Star Trek was all about. Original Star Trek was about ideas and making you think. It wasn't about war about fighting and blowing things up. Yes all those things occur in original Trek, but that isn't really the primary focus. Except for select areas in the series. So new fans, particularly younger new fans, are bored silly with original Trek, because it's too much talking, and not enough shooting for their taste.


 


And yeah I know exactly what you're talking about on the issue with the trolls. I've had a few dealings with some of them myself. I'm fairly certain that one thread in particular about the Brannon Braga and not having gays in Trek thing has really pissed off a lot of people who are on both sides of that argument. I finally quit responding to it myself, because I was getting frustrated. And nearly every time I get on here now, that thread is still one of the top threads on the sites because the trolls want to keep the anger and the hate going. They seem to want to keep people fired up about it. I don't even bother reading it anymore. There have been a few other threads that probably needed to die far sooner than they did that kept people frustrated and angry as well.


Any idea why the site moderators seem less interested in doing their jobs here? I just assumed that the site was still being kept up with as there's still always a new poll every week and there's still new stuff in the news feed all the time, and we just recently got all of the series put into the video section on here, something that we had never had before. So I was under the impression that the site was doing better than ever.

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 12:35 pm

Quote: Sora @ Aug. 10 2013, 11:48 am

>Why do people get such mad over JJ Trek? If they can't consider it an alternate timeline, why can't they just consider it a remake? I mean that's what I consider it is a remake. And it's not any big deal. That's just really silly to me.
It's all a matter of perspective - no real right/wrong to this.  If you read the forums, especially the movie forum, you'll see many different viewpoints on the movies.  Some people have invested so much into the Prime universe, that the JJ alternate timeline is just plain insulting.  Some say it's not logical and some say because it's a "reboot," it doesn't add anything to Star Trek, but throws out everything since 1966.  Even you called it a "remake".... if you remake something, what happens to the original?  It gets very emotional to some people whose lives have been impacted by Star Trek.


Now some just like anything labled "Star Trek" - JJ could have put two pencils on a turtle, called it the Enterprise and some people would have just accepted it because it had the name of Star Trek.

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 12:38 pm

Quote: Sora @ Aug. 10 2013, 11:48 am

>And yeah I've tried to help get newbies that started with 2009 into previous Trek, and the problem is, 2009 and Into Darkness is essentially Star Trek told in a Star Wars style. So they go into previous Trek expecting and wanting more of what they got in the new movies, and it just isn't going to happen. Because that just isn't what original Star Trek was all about. Original Star Trek was about ideas and making you think. It wasn't about war about fighting and blowing things up. Yes all those things occur in original Trek, but that isn't really the primary focus. Except for select areas in the series. So new fans, particularly younger new fans, are bored silly with original Trek, because it's too much talking, and not enough shooting for their taste.
Exactly right - you've made the point very well at the conflict between the prime universe and JJ's.

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 12:41 pm

Quote: Sora @ Aug. 10 2013, 11:48 am

>And yeah I know exactly what you're talking about on the issue with the trolls. I've had a few dealings with some of them myself. I'm fairly certain that one thread in particular about the Brannon Braga and not having gays in Trek thing has really pissed off a lot of people who are on both sides of that argument. I finally quit responding to it myself, because I was getting frustrated. And nearly every time I get on here now, that thread is still one of the top threads on the sites because the trolls want to keep the anger and the hate going. They seem to want to keep people fired up about it. I don't even bother reading it anymore. There have been a few other threads that probably needed to die far sooner than they did that kept people frustrated and angry as well.
Exactly.  I have absolutely no problem with a heated discussion, but when people resort to namecalling, etc, forget it.  And there are some people that write things just to attack others that have differing viewpoints.  After a while, what I do is add them to my Greasemonkey script and none of their posts show up on my screen after that.

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 1:02 pm

Quote: Sora @ Aug. 10 2013, 11:48 am

>Any idea why the site moderators seem less interested in doing their jobs here? I just assumed that the site was still being kept up with as there's still always a new poll every week and there's still new stuff in the news feed all the time, and we just recently got all of the series put into the video section on here, something that we had never had before. So I was under the impression that the site was doing better than ever.
I wish I could give you a good answer.  For quite a while, we haven't had any real moderators - we only have Admins that show up after a lot of us scream repeatedly about an obvious problem - and even that may take several days.  When they launched this current site, they were around a little more trying to take care of the biggest problems, but we still have bugs from back then that they just aren't fixing and aren't telling us what's going on.  Even when they put up new videos, the admins never updated the site "update/ugrades" thread.


I believe the news is just someone else, like a blogger, that has access to their content managment, but since there's really not a lot happening, there's really not a lot of content.


I really think that Star Trek is basically on the back burner for CBS at the moment as they're not actively working on anything for it.  Even the movies are Paramount, not CBS.  I don't think the forums are going to be cut off, but there was discussion a while by by CBS to remove them - thenkfully they didn't!

Sora

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 5:04 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Aug. 10 2013, 12:35 pm

Quote: Sora @ Aug. 10 2013, 11:48 am

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>Why do people get such mad over JJ Trek? If they can't consider it an alternate timeline, why can't they just consider it a remake? I mean that's what I consider it is a remake. And it's not any big deal. That's just really silly to me.
It's all a matter of perspective - no real right/wrong to this.  If you read the forums, especially the movie forum, you'll see many different viewpoints on the movies.  Some people have invested so much into the Prime universe, that the JJ alternate timeline is just plain insulting.  Some say it's not logical and some say because it's a "reboot," it doesn't add anything to Star Trek, but throws out everything since 1966.  Even you called it a "remake".... if you remake something, what happens to the original?  It gets very emotional to some people whose lives have been impacted by Star Trek.

Now some just like anything labled "Star Trek" - JJ could have put two pencils on a turtle, called it the Enterprise and some people would have just accepted it because it had the name of Star Trek.


 


  That statement just really made me laugh! Because I would be that person who would watch the Star Trek turtle and think it was a masterpiece!lol


And I get that Star Trek is special and has good messages that can help your life and what not. I've had experiences like that myself. But my view on this, and perhaps it's both right and wrong, is that yeah Star Trek is special, and it's more than just a tv show to me as a fan, and to others as fans, but at the end of the day, a tv show is what Star Trek is. As much as I might want to pretend that Star Trek is real, it's not. It's fiction, it's fantasy. It means a great deal to me, it does, but how can I get offended for them making a remake? Or reboot, or whatever you want to call it? The reason why I call it a remake, is because Star Trek 2009 restarted, it went back to the beginning and we are now re-doing TOS again, but with new actors, and in a new modern day style. That doesn't make it bad, that means the original was good enough for us to want to go back and make it over again. And to answer your question of what happens to the original, nothing, nothing at all. Why does anything at all have to or need to "happen" it's not real. None of it is. Thus it is what YOU make it. I love the original prime universe Star Trek. I also love the new series. But my old dvds and blu-rays and the original timeline, they haven't ceased to exist due to JJ's movies. I mean I understand having an emotional attachment to something. But I was raised to enjoy and love entertainment, but to realize that it is entertainment. And does Star Trek influence me? Sure it does, absolutely, but again, JJ's movies have no impact on my enjoyment of original Trek. Again, I find this notion of JJ's Trek destroying the prime universe to be silly.


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Sora

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 5:08 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Aug. 10 2013, 1:02 pm

Quote: Sora @ Aug. 10 2013, 11:48 am

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>Any idea why the site moderators seem less interested in doing their jobs here? I just assumed that the site was still being kept up with as there's still always a new poll every week and there's still new stuff in the news feed all the time, and we just recently got all of the series put into the video section on here, something that we had never had before. So I was under the impression that the site was doing better than ever.
I wish I could give you a good answer.  For quite a while, we haven't had any real moderators - we only have Admins that show up after a lot of us scream repeatedly about an obvious problem - and even that may take several days.  When they launched this current site, they were around a little more trying to take care of the biggest problems, but we still have bugs from back then that they just aren't fixing and aren't telling us what's going on.  Even when they put up new videos, the admins never updated the site "update/ugrades" thread.

I believe the news is just someone else, like a blogger, that has access to their content managment, but since there's really not a lot happening, there's really not a lot of content.

I really think that Star Trek is basically on the back burner for CBS at the moment as they're not actively working on anything for it.  Even the movies are Paramount, not CBS.  I don't think the forums are going to be cut off, but there was discussion a while by by CBS to remove them - thenkfully they didn't!


 


Really? What about the Blu-Ray project? I know Mike and Denise Okuda are mostly the ones behind that. But isn't it CBS that funds all that? I am loving the blu-rays and I really want DS9 and Voyager in HD when TNG gets done, so I hope that they continue on with this project.


 


And that's really a shame that they wanted to shut down the site at one point. I certainly hope that nothing like that ever happens again. I hope this site is here for a long long time.


Live Long and Prosper

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 5:11 pm

Quote: Sora @ Aug. 10 2013, 5:08 pm

>Really? What about the Blu-Ray project? I know Mike and Denise Okuda are mostly the ones behind that. But isn't it CBS that funds all that? I am loving the blu-rays and I really want DS9 and Voyager in HD when TNG gets done, so I hope that they continue on with this project.
My guess it's just a way to get people to buy the episodes for the HDTVs.  I hope they make money off it, but I don't think it's anything that will move Star Trek forward.

Sora

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 9:34 pm

Yeah, you're probably right once again. Ordinarily I like to wait until all of something is released, either to just be able to get everything at once, or to wait and see if there will be any complete series box sets released, but in this case I have been pre-ordering every season in blu-ray as they become available, because I want to do my part to help. I look at it this way, by getting each season as it comes out, I am telling them with my dollars, that I want the next season and then the next and the next. I even hope for the Animated Series on blu-ray someday. But TAS was the very last series to come out to dvd in 2006, so I'm sure if it does come to blu-ray, it will be after Voyager is finished.

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