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Why are the Bajorans so hated?

UninvitedGuest

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Report this Aug. 09 2013, 3:51 am

DS9 has a number of mediocre episodes from its first few seasons with plots centered around the Bajorans.

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Report this Aug. 09 2013, 3:25 pm

I never thought the Bajorans were hated at all. I mean yeah by the Cardassians, but I always thought they were pretty cool. Kira is one of my favorite DS9 characters.

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Report this Aug. 09 2013, 3:48 pm

I agree with you there.

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Report this Aug. 09 2013, 7:24 pm

Humans have hedgemonic viewpoints. The Bajorans were independant of all hedgemonies. They fought the Cardasians, yes, but they also defended themselves from the humans who, while defending them, might absorb them into the human hedgemony. This, I think, is why we fight in the Arab world to encourage our idea of democratic freedom, and feel frustrated by the fact that the arab world might want the choice to vote, and vote for an Imam.


The Bajorians are not us. The Arabs are not us.


Fiction can question all assumptions.


Peace


Mo


Peace, Mo

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Aug. 09 2013, 8:43 pm

While my favorite race is the Vulcans due to their non-emotional logic and intelligence, I really liked the Bajorans because they're so passionate about their views and are willing to fight for their freedom.

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Report this Aug. 09 2013, 9:02 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Aug. 09 2013, 8:43 pm

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>While my favorite race is the Vulcans due to their non-emotional logic and intelligence, I really liked the Bajorans because they're so passionate about their views and are willing to fight for their freedom.

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Thanks so much for your thoughts! I agree and hope you have a great weekend!


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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 1:55 am

Bajorans are basically the Jews of the galaxy, I don't mean that in a negative way.  But if you look at how the alien races are written in Trek, they're all modeled after human civilazations.  Cardassians would be the Germans, who exterminated and enslaved Bajorans.  Romulans after the Romans.  Klingons are the Russians, Federation are the USA.

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 2:52 am

... and Betazoids represent The French!


The Bajorans just aren't interesting,
outside of their recent war with the
Cardassians. Their belief system with
the orbs is absurd, considering that
they know their source. The Bajorans
have goofy customs that are not cute,
like squeezing somebody's ear. And their
claim to fame is that they were victimized.
A spacial whirlpool special effect is all that
put them on the map - and it is not enough.


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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 4:33 am

Quote: Thommy @ Aug. 10 2013, 1:55 am

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>Bajorans are basically the Jews of the galaxy, I don't mean that in a negative way.  But if you look at how the alien races are written in Trek, they're all modeled after human civilazations.  Cardassians would be the Germans, who exterminated and enslaved Bajorans.  Romulans after the Romans.  Klingons are the Russians, Federation are the USA.

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This is just not true. Rick Berman and Ronald D. Moore both stated that neither Bajor nor Cardassia were modelled after any people of the present. Their may be similarities in some aspects, but no direct analogy. 


And by the way, your statement is also insulting if not racist. So stop it, please.


And by the way, I like the Bajorans.


Il faut avoir l'esprit dur et le coeur tendre. (Jacques Maritain)

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 8:22 am

Quote: Kira Nerys @ Aug. 10 2013, 4:33 am

Quote: Thommy @ Aug. 10 2013, 1:55 am

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>Bajorans are basically the Jews of the galaxy, I don't mean that in a negative way.  But if you look at how the alien races are written in Trek, they're all modeled after human civilazations.  Cardassians would be the Germans, who exterminated and enslaved Bajorans.  Romulans after the Romans.  Klingons are the Russians, Federation are the USA.

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This is just not true. Rick Berman and Ronald D. Moore both stated that neither Bajor nor Cardassia were modelled after any people of the present. Their may be similarities in some aspects, but no direct analogy. 

And by the way, your statement is also insulting if not racist. So stop it, please.

And by the way, I like the Bajorans.


I totally agree!


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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 10:34 am

Bajorans are easy to hate.

Before the Cardassians came along the Bajorans were a stagnant, arrogant, paranoid and pretentious people who lived in a haze of religious foolery and oppressed themselves with a caste system. Despite having a ten thousand year history the Bajorans are going nowhere fast.

After the Cardassians arrive on the scene things don't go immediately into slave camp mode. It descends from an initial agreement into that state. There's little on screen to tell us the details of this slide were but it doesn't take a lot of imagination to see how the Bajorans might have made deals and then after getting some benefit from them tried to get out of their end of the bargain with some mumbling about spacehole gods and gave imperious stares to the Cardassians.

Skip ahead to the point when the Cardassians leave. Almost immediately the Bajorans start trying to butcher each other in huge numbers for political power. Only the revelation that the weapons may be coming from Cardassians stop them from slopping their own blood and torn flesh all over the planet. It's a good thing the Cardassians were involved. Apparently if the weapons had been coming only from the Ferengi, Klingons, Gorn, Orions, or other group Bajor would be a smoking corpse ruled over by Mad Max styled groups of Bajoran barbarians howling about spacehole aliens as they run into battle to beat each other to death with rocks.

Through the series an unusual number of threats to the Bajoran station DS9 come from Bajorans. Leftover weapons of viral terrorism planted by Bajorans nearly kill everyone on board and could easily have spread to Bajor. Religious nuts firebomb a grade school. Bajorans try to blow up the wormhole with weapons that might also destroy their own world. Bajoran criminals with access to wildly sophisticated cloning technology use it for the most banal and backwards of purposes instead of becoming famous or wealthy. Bajorans openly stab an innocent man in the back right in the middle of DS9 and everyone just stands around looking sad instead of ramming their faces into the ground and arresting them. Bajorans raise innocent Cardassian babies and children to hate their own flesh and everyone's like "well, you know, it's complicated".

Add all the ways that the Bajorans are a terrible people to the fact that Star Fleet and even the Klingon Empire bent over backwards to make sure that each little Bajoran was safe and snug in bed while literally billions and billions of people threw their lives into the meat grinder of war to keep their part of the galaxy safe and the result is the most consistently repulsive, entitled, and irritating species on the screen.

Go ahead Kira, insult the humans dying for your safety by arrogantly telling them again that your people were in space while humans were living in mud huts.

Ethics are arbitrary.

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 12:48 pm

Don't forget that Ensign Ro turned out to be a total traitor to Starfleet, and she was also the first Bajoran they showed on any Star Trek series I think.

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Report this Aug. 10 2013, 1:50 pm

It's always easy to hate what you don't understand, isn't it?


The bajoran culture was shown in very great detail in DS9, so we also got to see its flaws. But every culture has elements that are not good or rational or whatever. It's like we looked into a mirror and people tend to despise mirrors. Don't they? But to just condemn them is of course always very easy.


And I thought Ro was one of the most interesting characters in TNG. She wasn't perfect and she struggled with her own imperfection. She didn't grow up in a nice perfect world. And the situation with the Maquis is in my opinion a bit too complicated to be reduced to the word 'traitor'. Don't you think?
Anyway, I could relate to Ro very well. 
It was even more so with Kira because she came from being traumatized, suspicious and angry at everyone to being a character who could really overcome her own prejudices. 


 


@Trekkie128: Merci. It's always good to see that one is not alone with an opinion in this universe.


 


Il faut avoir l'esprit dur et le coeur tendre. (Jacques Maritain)

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Report this Aug. 11 2013, 12:21 am

Quote: Kira Nerys @ Aug. 10 2013, 1:50 pm

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>And I thought Ro was one of the most interesting characters in TNG. She wasn't perfect and she struggled with her own imperfection. She didn't grow up in a nice perfect world. And the situation with the Maquis is in my opinion a bit too complicated to be reduced to the word 'traitor'. Don't you think?
Anyway, I could relate to Ro very well. 
It was even more so with Kira because she came from being traumatized, suspicious and angry at everyone to being a character who could really overcome her own prejudices. 

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Ensign Ro was kind of a semi-traitor from the moment she was shown because of previously disobeying orders, and 5 crew members were killed as a result. Then Picard gave her a chance to redeem herself, and she betrayed Starfleet again to the Maquis. She was also the first Bajoran on Star Trek so go figure.


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Report this Aug. 11 2013, 3:24 am

Without any doubt, Michelle Forbes
was one of the MOST beautiful and
talented women to guest star on TNG!


The Bajoran make-up wasn't all that
interesting, but Ensign Ro certainly was.
For me, though, the Bajorans did suffer
from what happens whenever STAR TREK
tries to flesh out ANY of its races ...
they keep throwing stuff at the wall to
see what sticks. It's very Hit-or-Miss, but
becomes part of the show, anyway and
that sucks, when there's no filter on it.


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