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Pianoeman2001

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Report this Jul. 05 2013, 9:10 pm

 Wow. Even though i liked both movies David brought up some good points. My wife and myself agree with the whole Kahn thing. I think he should have been of Latin decent like Ricardo Mantalban. But what I dont see anyone adressing is why was the Enterprise built on land? You mean to tell me it was the thrusters that got this big ass ship into space? I thought that was a big no no. We as Star Trek fans dont like seeing the rules broken. That was a big one. But as a Star Trek fan that has followed it since the begining, I thought both movies were fun. You are not going to explain so many years of Star Trek to the new commers in 2 hours and 20 minutes.

stovokor2000-A

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Report this Jul. 05 2013, 9:53 pm

Quote: Pianoeman2001 @ Jul. 05 2013, 9:10 pm

>But what I dont see anyone adressing is why was the Enterprise built on land? You mean to tell me it was the thrusters that got this big ass ship into space? I thought that was a big no no. We as Star Trek fans dont like seeing the rules broken. That was a big one. But as a Star Trek fan that has followed it since the begining,

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why was the New Enterprise built on land????


Because the original series Enterprise was build on land......or have you never read the dedication plaque on the ships bridge?


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starfan97

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Report this Jul. 06 2013, 11:52 am

The new Star Trek movies are good and I enjoy them. They are not the original characters we came to know and love, even though they have the same names. Clearly these movies were made for a new generation of Star Trek fans. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. It keeps Star Trek alive that much longer. 


My only real dislike of the new movies is that I just don't like the way Zachary Quinto portrays Spock. He's a good actor, he just doesn't embrace the character as much as Leonard Nimoy. 

milojthatch

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Report this Jul. 07 2013, 7:09 am

Is Star Trek really alive? Based on my experiance, most of these so called "new fans" don't seem to really care about pre-JJ Star Trek. For me, Star Trek died in 2005.

Vulcan merchant

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 5:18 pm

Animated series become canon again when the Xindi are reintroduced in ENTERPRISE / and JJ validates the ENTERPRISE timeline. Just to add to  stovokor2000-A´s listing, which actually has a good way of explaining the whys and whens. But it is not about finding excuses or just finding probable explanations about content issues. In my picture it is about mourning the loss of something that had a transcendent educational value beyond culture, race or religion. If someone is able to make a valid point of what the younger generation is supposed to learn from these new movies, I will gladly listen.

stovokor2000-A

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 7:53 pm

Quote: Vulcan merchant @ Jul. 08 2013, 5:18 pm

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>Animated series become canon again when the Xindi are reintroduced in ENTERPRISE / and JJ validates the ENTERPRISE timeline. Just to add to  stovokor2000-A´s listing, which actually has a good way of explaining the whys and whens. But it is not about finding excuses or just finding probable explanations about content issues. In my picture it is about mourning the loss of something that had a transcendent educational value beyond culture, race or religion. If someone is able to make a valid point of what the younger generation is supposed to learn from these new movies, I will gladly listen.

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sorry but thats not correct 


to begig with the Enterprise series never needed to be validated


and i dont know what you mean by "reintroducee"....the Xindi were a newly introduced people/culture in enterprise.


there was a race on tng whos name sounded the same but the spelling was different.


also, TAS was made canon again for a short while after they releases a DVD set of the series


3 week later CBS decanonized the series saying fans should enjoy the series either way.


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Vulcan merchant

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 8:32 pm

Sure, an alien race called Xindi (never written nor spelled in the TAS series) who are a society build up by different subraces just coincides with an alien race called Xindi who are a society build up by different subraces ... and that the former Xindi were supposed to be an arch enemy of the federation who held war against the federation is also another coincidence to the plot that the new Xindi become the first great arch enemy to the federation ... surely I must be mistaken and there was nothing re-introduced and any similarity is just a funny coincidence. Silly me thinking that there might be a connection.


And to the mention of anything having the need to be validated, there was no emphathizing on that on my part. I just said that JJ does that in his movie (by having this modell of the NX01).

Vulcan merchant

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 8:36 pm

(But I am guessing you never saw that episode of TAS if you reffer to TNG regarding to my comment. The races depicted, however, are not the same alltogether, for example there is a hawkmen-race which was supoosed to be the leading warrior race in the war against the federation)

chator56

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 8:42 pm

How does Abrams validate Enterprise's timeline? By NuScott mentioning that Archer's prize beagle was transported in a transwarp beaming experiment by him? And NuKirk saying he knew that beagle? First, if NuScott is talking about Porthos, that beagle would have been long dead before Scott could even get his hands on him, or NuKirk could have gotten to know that beagle, so would have been Archer. So this doesn't seem to validate the Enterprise timline. But I agree with Stovokor, why does Enterprise need validation by Abrams? Its perfectly fine if Enterprise and Abrams' Trek don't occupy the same timeline, or universe. Abrams is not interested in following the canon established by Enterprise anyway.

Vulcan merchant

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 9:08 pm

No, he is not. But again with the validation thing. Don´t get stuck on that. As far as I understood, there was a scene were, as I have written before, a modell of the Enterprise NX01 was hanging arounf somewhere or standing on top of some table there ... don´t know for sure, don´t really care.

stovokor2000-A

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 9:18 pm

Quote: Vulcan merchant @ Jul. 08 2013, 8:32 pm

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>Sure, an alien race called Xindi (never written nor spelled in the TAS series) who are a society build up by different subraces just coincides with an alien race called Xindi who are a society build up by different subraces ... and that the former Xindi were supposed to be an arch enemy of the federation who held war against the federation is also another coincidence to the plot that the new Xindi become the first great arch enemy to the federation ... surely I must be mistaken and there was nothing re-introduced and any similarity is just a funny coincidence. Silly me thinking that there might be a connection.

>And to the mention of anything having the need to be validated, there was no emphathizing on that on my part. I just said that JJ does that in his movie (by having this modell of the NX01).

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Idont mean to sound rude, but you seem to have been a long time fan...........you know the rules of canon.


so yes, it was silly to draw a connection that was never made within the series.Simularities are irrelevent....for tas to be canon the race needs to be carring the same name, not just similar histories.


and yes I've see TAS, but your comment was vague not pointing to any 1 episode of the series


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 9:23 pm

Quote: chator56 @ Jul. 08 2013, 8:42 pm

>First, if NuScott is talking about Porthos, that beagle would have been long dead before Scott could even get his hands on him, or NuKirk could have gotten to know that beagle,

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that may not nessarly be true.,


they learned to prolong human life, its possible they learned to do the same with dogs


also, dog lovers of cert degrees have a habit of replacing "lost" dogs with 1 from the same breed........some even from the same family line.


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Vulcan merchant

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 9:33 pm

Yes, I think to grasp the rules of canon. Well, I somewhat meant to sound a little rude, I even thought it to be obvious with all that sarcasm and all. But it remains friendly rudeness. The idea of the Xindi was CLEARLY taken from that TAS episode, if not to a hundred percent then at least it is a not far fetched remake of the idea. Slap my arse and call me judy if there´s no truth in that.

stovokor2000-A

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 9:42 pm

lol

chator56

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 9:53 pm

Stovokor,


You're bending over backwards to try and prove Orci/Kurtzman didn't commit an error. This is being too generous. As far as we know Archer only had one beagle, Porthos. It lived the average number of years for a beagle, 15. We have no reason to believe otherwise. Same for Archer. Orci/Kurtzman are sloppy writers, they inexcusably didn't do their homework.  

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