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What has happened to this franchise?

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Report this Jul. 01 2013, 4:27 pm

Aayalam I completely agree with you. Berman should have had a say in all this. You just cannot strip the soul from a projekt that is so revered by so many people.


Waht you said is exactly the point I was so dramaticly trying to make.


Star Trek made you think, it made you grow into a better person, it you made you more understanding and compasionated. What are we to do with the new movies ?


La x2 ... if you are not working for CBS or are a relative of someone involved or are somehow in cahoot with these new movies ... well then I simply don´t see where a great job was done ... and how you seriously dare to say that no one could have done a better job. I am very sure that almost any true Star Trek fan, who followed the complete series would have been able not only to write a better script, but would have been also able to capture the essence of Star Trek in a much deeper and fullfilling way.


I would add myself in to the opinion that the movies are not sooo bad. As standalones. As jump and run action movies. But never, NEVER, as the true heritage of what Roddenberry or Berman intended. The sad truth is that these new movies are bringing in the cash and that JJ has made a name for himself, so that Star Trek is bound to be kept on that track untill JJ resigns. There could be two different Star Trek projects running, like with Sherlock Holmes, where the english TV series in movie lengh became popular paralel to the U.S. movies. But then again, the works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle are free of copyright and Star Trek is not free. It has been chained by CBS to be associated with the impact Lost created, to lure people that had no previous affiliation with Star Trek into cinemas.

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Report this Jul. 01 2013, 5:55 pm

What Happened To The Franchise? Simple: TOO MUCH DAMN NITPICKING BY THOSE JADED IDIOTS WHO CALL THEMSELVES FANS!!!

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Report this Jul. 01 2013, 6:08 pm

You dont seem to have grasped the nature of Star Trek if you need to write with big letters and throw around with tiny words. So in the end, whoever dares to critize your loyalty to an obvious degradation of a high quality series is neither a fan o just simply an idiot? Your logic is flawed.


SAVEGUARD THE FUTURE OF STAR TREK!

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Report this Jul. 02 2013, 7:17 pm

(People, read the thread about the new series idea : Star Trek Renegade. In this very same discussion board.)

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Report this Jul. 07 2013, 7:05 am

Anyone notice that since JJ the Berman jokes have dropped dramatically? Boy do I miss Berman!

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 6:11 pm

Well LA x2, what charming way to answer, hope your summer continues being great. And yes, since blue isn´t blue anymore, blue will not be red either.

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Report this Jul. 10 2013, 10:29 am

Quote: chator56 @ Jun. 23 2013, 10:05 pm

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>You ask what has happened to this franchise? Well, Rick Berman, Roddenberry's handpicked successor,'s contract was allowed to expire at the end of 2005/2006 under the orders of Gail Berman (no relation to Rick), who was then President of Paramount pictures before moving on. She vetted J.J. Abrams who was making a name for himself in sci-fi television and films to inherit the Star Trek franchise. It was her belief that Star Trek needed rebooting, that it was dead as a money-making intellectual property due to the poor box office returns of the last two TNG films. Abrams works with a close-knit group of writers, musicians, producers on various projects, in inheriting Star Trek, Star Trek inherited the talents, or lack thereof of his creative team, who had no previous involvement in making Star Trek. So instead of getting veteran Star Trek professionals we ended up with a bunch of newbies, which included few Trek fans, notably Robert Orci, whose grasp of Trek is weak and superficial to say the least. Orci and Kurtzman, the screenwriters on Abrams' Trek films are best known for screenwriting the Transformers films, that's whose writing Star Trek now! The Transformers films are brain-dead science fiction films that are heavy on action and visual effects, and weak on story and character development. Hence, we get Transformers quality Star Trek. That's what happened.

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Oh boy, you've successfully articulated how I've been feeling about these new films.  


 


JJ Abrams is an excellent director/producer, he's got a great eye for action and adventure, usually incorporates enough character development to get you hooked.  I think his strengths are in original screenplays and concepts, stories he has more creative license to make adjustments to characters and circumstances. 


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Report this Jul. 10 2013, 10:39 am

^ to add to my initial thought, someone along the lines of Peter Jackson, whom grew up loving the world that J.R.R. Tolkien created in The Hobbit & Lord of the Rings, masterfully translated that behemoth of literary work into a series of films that for the most remain true to the spirit of the books.  


Star Trek is now an intricate tapestry (hint, hint ); it will take someone with extensive knowledge and respect for the world that Gene Roddenberry created to successfully bring Star Trek into the new Millenium for both new and seasoned fans.  Nothings impossible, I see it as a challenge, the person willing and able to beat it will have my respect.


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Report this Jul. 10 2013, 3:29 pm

i am totally agreeing to the fact that jj abrams is all about the flash and cant understand what Star Trek really is. he really MESSED UP two movies. i hope Berman is looking at the numbers drop and realize she betted on a losing horse

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Report this Jul. 10 2013, 5:30 pm

The Problem , Scotti , te' Engine is Past Repairin' , Lad  !! Tis Broken and ready for the Boneyard !!


JJ's Movies are OK , if you're a kid , as a lot of Trekkies are !! But Series are Important ! They're the bread that makes the Ham Sandwich ! There are Problems ! Star Wars is intending to make an annual Movie , and when George sold Star Wars to Disney , he and his writing team had also written another (50+ episodes) extended Live Series , which Disney is intending to progress with ! Also , Clone Wars is an extremely well-made animation Series ! Disney is also looking to extend the Tron Franchise . And James Cameron has been preparing for not only more Avatar movies , but a Series as well !


Can Star Trek compete with these franchises , and including others as well ?! They could , if they hired the best writers and production team ! There are rumors that Paramount and CBS are wrangling over that problem at the moment ! But in reality we have to ask , will they do that ?!!

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Report this Jul. 10 2013, 7:34 pm

two man enter, one man leave...do you want this? i got you on every level like the decks of a ship, betta not slip cause this trekkie here ready to ship...you out on the next shuttle so get on an scuttle to outpost 14 like hoth you a sloth when it comes to my know;legde of the force. now you ask what they will do.....who has a clue but as long aj, bj, jj, who knows who he is. know i mean no he doesnt know what Star Trek is..............

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Report this Jul. 11 2013, 11:02 am

I have to second VM, on no one else could have done a better job. It made sense for them to go to Abrams given that at the time he was the biggest rising star in sci-fi movies/television. I'd like to see Fuller bring Trek back to television, have you seen what he's done with Hannibal? I'd like to see Singer do the films, I like what he did with Superman Returns, he totally respected and payed homage to what came before, the early Superman films from the 70s and 80s.

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Report this Jul. 11 2013, 5:23 pm

yes chator. the reeve thing at the end of superman returns was quite the memory lane for me. i love the suprman movies. but to think an esoteric view of things from an apparent wars fan is going to change the end game. your wrong.

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Report this Jul. 12 2013, 10:15 am

Where did I say that no one could have made a better job? By Khaless Beard! I first and second Vortex initial and second thoughts. Lord of the rings is a good example for a well managed production of a beloved franchise. Heronymus, had a good laugh. And I even think that the new Clone Wars series are better than the JJ Star Trek movies, they teach, they have a moral behind, by Gowrons cowarxly ghost, even He-man cared more for his audience than JJ does.

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Report this Jul. 15 2013, 1:53 pm

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Aayalam I completely agree with you. Berman should have had a say in all this. You just cannot strip the soul from a projekt that is so revered by so many people.


Waht you said is exactly the point I was so dramaticly trying to make.


Star Trek made you think, it made you grow into a better person, it you made you more understanding and compasionated. What are we to do with the new movies ?


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I agree with you both.


All the Star Trek series starting with TOS were about elevating our society and ourselves as human beings. Each episode had an idealistic message and was peppered with philosophical quotes prompting deep thinking, technical references to quantum physics and fractal algorithmic equations, and tolerance of other species. Star Trek was intellectual, contemplative, thought provoking; deep.
During the 60s when racial inequity and civil rights violations were the topic of the day, there were shows like Star Trek and Twilight Zone that prompted moral and ethical reflection without hitting you over the head and doing it under the cloak of entertaining you at the same time.
Now we have lens flares, huge explosions and a Vulcan in an emotional relationship.The new movies are dumbed down versions of the Star Trek I know and love. This new era of Star Trek is not so much Science Fiction as it is Action Fiction.
I just hope the canon of Star Trek can survive this molestation.


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