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What has happened to this franchise?

Vulcan merchant

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Report this Jun. 23 2013, 9:23 pm

What has happened to this franchise?


Some years ago I roamed the official Star Trek fansite as "Vulcan merchant". Only a few months before the s


creening of the first of these new movies I quit. Not for lack of interest, I just thought that my hands needed a rest. Now I am eager to share my views within a community that hopefully will share my views or at least understand from where I am coming from. Star Trek has never been about bigger ships and louder explosions, it has never been about short skirts or even about spreading U.S. morals throughout the world. Star Trek has always been about embroading ones personal frontier, it has been about finding the core of life itself, about becoming more than an individual and even more than the sum of its pieces. Star Trek has always been about leaving behind fear, intolerance and disrespect. TOS brought so much to its time, it showed that the community of mankind could one day leave behind its hatred and its preconceptions for the greater good of altruism and togetherness. It shone as a beacon of respect, of respect between cultures and races, of respect between countries and societies. TNG showed us that one day, we as a people, could leave behind the search for personal gain, for greed and money, in order to become more than an individual, even more than the sum of its pieces. The struggle would be about superseeding ourselves, our own self and thus rise up to become a people that would not be feared, a people that would stand inmidst of a greater society, not as warlords, but as wisemen and protectors. DS9 took a brave step into the darkness of the human soul, showing once again that no path is an easy one, that sacrificies are part of life and that we must never abandon the trust we bestow upon our souls, even if we fall once and once again. Voyager showed us that no journey was without rewards and that in the face of danger and despair we should never abandon the trust we bestow upon our soul or our heritage. Well, even Enterprise had a selffullfilling end to it. First it showed us that the path to the future might want us to change our views for the good of becoming part of a greater society, then it showed us, that producers sadly thought that today youth was desinterested in the path that Star Trek had walked. And thus we LOST Star Trek, it was given into the hands of someone who seemingly could keep alive the interest of a society that suffers under shortspanned attention deficit and who could profit of the FRINGE of so many ideas he could only keep alive by adding plottwists and shocking the viewers by killing off regulars. I myself am a big fan of David E. Kelley, producer of such shows as L.A. Law, The Practice or Monday Mornings. I see his show Boston Legal as the true heritage of Star Trek. Beyond the obvious, the participacion of William Shatner, Rene Abuerjonois, Armin Shimerman, Jery Ryan or Scott Bakula, it is a show about the reality of human struggle and its wish to become a true part of this wonderous and complicated existence. Hear my roar and tell me your thoughts, be so kind as not to delete my comment in order to enlist more troups for the evergrowing army of people who spend money to make sure that that the new franchise will end up killing everthing I heald dear about this immortal idea; the idea that will survive the evil hand of a Khan that is obviously nothing more than a white Taliban spooking around the heads of whoever thinks that lights, sounds and explosions will fill their pockets. Thanks.

chator56

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Report this Jun. 23 2013, 10:05 pm

You ask what has happened to this franchise? Well, Rick Berman, Roddenberry's handpicked successor,'s contract was allowed to expire at the end of 2005/2006 under the orders of Gail Berman (no relation to Rick), who was then President of Paramount pictures before moving on. She vetted J.J. Abrams who was making a name for himself in sci-fi television and films to inherit the Star Trek franchise. It was her belief that Star Trek needed rebooting, that it was dead as a money-making intellectual property due to the poor box office returns of the last two TNG films. Abrams works with a close-knit group of writers, musicians, producers on various projects, in inheriting Star Trek, Star Trek inherited the talents, or lack thereof of his creative team, who had no previous involvement in making Star Trek. So instead of getting veteran Star Trek professionals we ended up with a bunch of newbies, which included few Trek fans, notably Robert Orci, whose grasp of Trek is weak and superficial to say the least. Orci and Kurtzman, the screenwriters on Abrams' Trek films are best known for screenwriting the Transformers films, that's whose writing Star Trek now! The Transformers films are brain-dead science fiction films that are heavy on action and visual effects, and weak on story and character development. Hence, we get Transformers quality Star Trek. That's what happened.

Ne vem

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Report this Jun. 24 2013, 8:47 pm

It's not too late to save it. As long as they don't put Abrams in charge of the next Trek Tv series then there's still hope. In fact, Abrams will probably move away from Trek for good now he's got Star Wars. Hopefully, they can hire someone like Duncan Jones as a replacement. Or a more left-field option: Shane Carruth! As for a new TV series...Ronny Moore or some new blood would be fine.


Anyway, I did enjoy the last 2 movies, they weren't bad, but I also enjoyed Pirates of the Caribbean 1-3 in the same way.


Trek deserves more than this...more than the TNG movies too.


I think someone else said it elsewhere online...Trek needs to be on TV more than it needs to be on a cinema screen. 


Why does no-one in Trek make zines?

kevin.nelson.1291

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Report this Jun. 25 2013, 7:27 pm

I'm able to enjoy the new movies as long as I think of them as simply "sci-fi action." If I attempt to equate them to the Star Trek of years past, then I am disappointed by compare. Ultimately, I think that Star Trek doesn't belong at the movies, at least not as a primary medium. A new show would be welcome, though I am curious as to how such a show would compare to the "old" shows. If it were to be bred of the same minds as those who instigated the current reboot, then I must admit that I would probably pass. 

Vulcan merchant

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Report this Jun. 26 2013, 6:22 am

Thanks chator for the info. I see how we ended up with a low quality Trek, insead of the quality we were used to. Nevern and Kevin, sure, I can watch the movies, I am the same hypocrit as the comic book guy from the simpsons "Worst Star Wars Movie ever! I will only watch it three more times. Today." But I will watch them with the same level of delight I watch Pirates of the carribian or Transformers, just as some dumb scifi attempt. As for Star Wars, Lukas made a good job lowering expectations allready, let´s see what ist left to destroy for JJ. Have you followed the idea of a new tv-series called "Titan"? Is there anything else planned?

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Report this Jun. 26 2013, 9:33 pm

Michael Dorn is trying to pitch a 'Captain Worf' series, which I think would be a mistake. It's best to skip forward another 30 years at least and introduce new characters.


Bryan Singer pitched a series a few years ago, set 700 years after Voyager! Thank God that never got made.


I'm not sure if any other TV series ideas are out there...


Also, to be fair, I think Abrams is a perfect fit for Star Wars. He's not a bad director, he just never really cared about Trek.


Why does no-one in Trek make zines?

Vulcan merchant

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Report this Jun. 27 2013, 3:38 pm

I think I would enjoy any Star Trek series as long as it sticks to the true value of Star Trek. I think I´ll enjoy a Cpt. Whorf series even. Maybe you heard that in DS9 preproduction times there was an idea about making a soaplike series about Lwaxana Troy, I think that a series set 700 years after Voyager doesn´t sound too bad in comparison. Well, might be that JJ is fit for Star Wars, for Star Trek, I fear, he dropped the ball big time. Even if a few more bucks were made.

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Report this Jun. 27 2013, 3:47 pm

About JJ leaving Star Trek, the future does not look to bright. I read an interview of his saying that he and his team are already making plans how to combine both franchises within their time schedule. He even joked about making a movie about Ringo Starr. The makers of Battlestar Galactica should team up with Berman, Braga, Strazynski, etc. and let David E. Kelley produce. That would be a great Trek.

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Report this Jun. 28 2013, 6:42 pm

I'm in agreement , VM ! Any Studio could make a great Trek Series if they had writers like Kelley , Straczynski , Moore and even Braga ! Therein lies the problem ! Would Paramount/CBS do that ?! CBS have a current reputation for cutting back Producers , Directors , Production Crew and Writers ! To make a defining Science Fiction Series it has to involve a lot of effort in concept and execution . 1. I don't think CBS would be prepared to develop it properly . 2. and for even one season would be prohibitively costly . I think that's why the Nu-Star Trek Movies also seem like copycat Marvel Movies . It all has to be made as a flashy quickie for the 20yr old movie-goer !

chator56

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Report this Jun. 29 2013, 8:19 pm

Vulcant merchant, Heronymous,


Are you two aware that re-booting Star Trek was originally J. Michael Straczynski's idea? He had it back in 2004. I don't know if Paramount's President Gail Berman, got the idea from him or not. But he wanted to do what J.J. Abrams/Orci & Kurtzman ended up doing in Star Trek (2009). I personally am more interested in Bryan Fuller and Bryan Singer's approach. Not because I like their idea, but because I like both of these guys' work in television and film. Anyway, here's a link to Straczynski's original manifesto, http://bztv.typepad.com/newsviews/files/ST2004Reboot.pdf.  

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Report this Jun. 29 2013, 9:46 pm

Heronymus, I´m glad I do not stand alone. Chator, actually I heard about Straczynski's Idea. But would you really say, that a mastermind like Straczynski would have  driven the Trek down the river as well? I mean, just compare Babylon 5 to Lost ... Babylon5 is brilliant and has a lot of deep and well developed ideas concerning most aspects of society ... whereas Lost may offer some good flashes, some whoa!-moments but no intrinsic value at all. It is just plain-fun-tv that is set up to be liked by everyone, or at least by those who do not appreciate scifi itself and now come to know it throughout those whoa!-moments ...


SAVEGUARD THE FUTURE OF STAR TREK!

chator56

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Report this Jun. 30 2013, 2:01 pm

Vulcan Merchant,


It's difficult to say if rebooting Star Trek was a bad idea, or simply its execution under Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman has been bad. Reading Straczynski's manifesto, he would have definately done things differently than Abram, still rebooting TOS characters with new production designs like Abrams, but I believe he had a better understanding of the characters and how to write stories for them. After two Abrams films, I want to go back to Prime Universe Trek and see a new television series. I don't care for the Star Trek universe Abrams has created. Nor do I care to see another blow em up action movie in space with Star Trek credits.

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Report this Jun. 30 2013, 4:10 pm

@chator56 .. thanks for that info which I really didn't know about ! I will look that up ! Well the Nu Star Trek Movies are very much that American Style of Lucas/Spielberg which Abrams subscribes too ! I actually question if Star Trek needed Rebooting ? Paramount is a highly commercial Movie Company and they're not the British BBC ala Dr Who ! It is understandable they would push their Franchise toward the popular Action Crowd ! 50% of Trekkies want Action ! I have to say I've followed All the Series and am inclined to a thought-provoking episodic series ! Which may never happen again !

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Report this Jun. 30 2013, 4:29 pm

I would have welcomed any new series under good supervision. Sadly, the ship seems to have sailed, since there is virtually no posibility of having a parallel tv series beneath these "blow-ep-um-action-chlidrens-programm" movies that would offer a well written and well produced content. Hopefully in a not too distant future these JJ movies will be striken from our collective memories like Rocky V or like Echnatons name from the tempel walls in ancient Egypt ...

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Report this Jul. 01 2013, 12:18 pm

I think I'm getting old. I say this, because I agree wholeheartedly that the new Trek franchise is all about form (action, visuals, FX, etc.) but completely lacks the same substance that made the previous franchises work. JJ Abrams, by his own admission, has expressed THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT STAR TREK, until he was approached by Paramount to take over Rick Berman's job. The result? A visually aggressive filmaker takes over a franchise that was known primarily to make you THINK about humanity and the future thereof, strips it of its more valuable assets, and simply re-dresses it to appeal to younger audiences. 


I agree that, perhaps, Rick Berman had reached its limit. After all, thanks to him, the franchise grew beyond anyone's expectations. I may agree that a reboot was needed. But then, Paramount should have allowed Berman to pick his own successor (very much the same way that Rodenberry picked him in the mid-80`s). Rodenberry realized that Rick Berman, not only understood, but SHARED in his vision of what Star Trek was. Berman WASN'T  a Trekkie (or Trekker to use a more appropriate term in this site). Berman was a PRODUCER. He understood Star Trek. And he took a BIG chance by returning Star Trek to the television screen WITH A WHOLE NEW CAST. He pushed the boundaries and managed to revamp and revive the franchise for 30 years.


Unlike Berman, JJ Abrams has no personal stake. He didn't grow up with it. And he doesn't understand it. At least not fully. He has flashy, visually impressive stories. But they lack the depth and scope of Star Trek II, Star Trek VI, NExt Generation's episodes such as YESTERDAY'S ENTERPRISE, or THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. Any one of those is far... far better than his two most recent films.


Paramount should ask Rick Berman back. As a creative consultant / executive producer. And have Berman pick a successor that understands what Star Trek really is. I'm sure he can find someone way... way better to take Star Trek where no Studio has gone before.

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