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Question about Odo

Utopia Planetia

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Report this Jun. 20 2013, 8:55 pm

You guys are funny.


His mass apparently adjusts based on his shape though. I forget which episode they mentioned that in.

willowtree

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Report this Jun. 21 2013, 5:25 am

Quote: Utopia Planetia @ Jun. 20 2013, 8:55 pm

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>You guys are funny.

>His mass apparently adjusts based on his shape though. I forget which episode they mentioned that in.

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according to the laws of physics,  you can't change mass. Mass is a constant.


and we all know....you canna change the laws of physics

bunkey

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Report this Jun. 21 2013, 8:32 am

If I take a glass of water and freeze it or spill it on the floor, it still takes up the same space regardless. The only way to lose mass I would think is to burn it off, like one burns off calories to to lose weight. If I burn more energy than I intake, I will have less mass.  But since Odo doesn't eat and has no digestive system as far as I remember, he apparently has no energy to burn, right?

willowtree

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Report this Jun. 21 2013, 8:41 am

he has to intake energy somehow. Whether it's through food, or he plugs himself into an electric socket, or he's solar powered or something. he moves around so he's using eneryg, so he HAS to take in energy somehow

bunkey

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Report this Jun. 21 2013, 8:46 am

True...but HOW?  Tis a mystery Scooby Doo!

Utopia Planetia

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Report this Jun. 21 2013, 9:59 am

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You guys are funny.


His mass apparently adjusts based on his shape though. I forget which episode they mentioned that in.


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according to the laws of physics,  you can't change mass. Mass is a constant.


and we all know....you canna change the laws of physics


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Maybe you can't. And maybe I can't. But I don't see any reason why writers of a tv show can't change physics for a species that doesn't exist, born on a planet that doesn't exist in a part of the galaxy that may or may not exist.


Here's what Julian said when trying to diagnose that disease the changelings gave Odo:


"Normally when you're in humanoid
form, you have a specific density
of one point four which is
consistent throughout your body.
Your mass and density only vary
when you change shape. But right
now, your mass and density are in
a state of fluctuation."

willowtree

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Report this Jun. 21 2013, 10:54 am

well yes obviously the writers can make anything they want happen. but one of the nice things about Trek is that when they can they do try to be realistic in their science.

bunkey

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Report this Jun. 21 2013, 11:27 am

At least they TRIED to explain it. Not like the whole "cold fusion" thing. 

DriaLynn

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Report this Jun. 22 2013, 11:26 am

Star Trek has changed the laws of physics before like in the area of space where the area of space where the Xindi lived. And many other times too! Plus as they said in the episode Chrysalis on DS9, "You can't break the laws of physics but you can bend them!"

miklamar

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Report this Jul. 01 2013, 11:24 am

On another board here, I voted for Odo to protect me, because he could morph into whatever he wanted to!  Apparently, he is able to actually replicate/duplicate the features of that person or object, too--not just looking like it.


Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

bunkey

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Report this Jul. 01 2013, 2:18 pm

I'd vote for Odo for other reasons. 

Vulcan merchant

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Report this Jul. 01 2013, 5:44 pm

You have brought up all the good questions. Obviously his mass should stay the same, hence he should have been a 150 pound crow or dog, thus unable to fly or run normally. There never was a deeper handling of the shapeshifting paradime, but we can conclude that the founders are to be seen as sentient hydrogyne-based beings, who are able to control the chemical reaction their liquid state goes into when getting in touch with other elements. The problem with that theory is the ability of shapeshifting in the vacuum of space. Let´s remember that the first founder Odo met followed their runabout in form of a spaceship. Also the artifact brought by Vash into the station could have been one of the lost children that simply only knew him/herself as a spacehabiting form of life. Summing up, I think your answers were pretty much on top.

Vulcan merchant

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Report this Jul. 01 2013, 5:56 pm

I you followed the theory of adaptable mass in consequence of increasing or decreasing size, then founders should be able to morph themselves not only into a space station itself, but also into an infinite number of beings, and they would not even need to touch themselves properly, since a cloud is a loose coherence of H2O molecules that float throughout the atmosphere until the mass becomes to thick and it starts to pour down. Obviously the shapeshifting paradime wasn´t thought through to the end, even Terminator had a better dealing with that. I still love Odo as a character plus the complete DS9 universe.

bunkey

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Report this Jul. 03 2013, 4:52 am

I think a LOT of Star Trek's "WTFScience" errors are probably a product of time constraints and trying to make things fit into a script. Like if a scene is written where Odo needs to turn into a bird and it's a good script otherwise, rather than rewriting the whole script, the writers say "F&ck it, he can do that now." 

miklamar

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Report this Jul. 03 2013, 5:18 am

Another (non-ST)  book I read had a shapeshifter turning into a bird and flying, with all the necessary parts for flight.  So, Star Trek shapeshifters are not the only ones who make this leap of faith in the laws of physics.


Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

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