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SAVE STAR TREK

Section31Captain

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Report this Jun. 16 2013, 4:32 pm

There are many of us that are unhappy with the current direction of our beloved franchise. It is our intention to start a movement in which we inform Paramount of our displeasure. Think back to the days when fans wrote in to save TOS for a third season. How about when they convinced President Ford to change the name of the very first space shuttle to Enterprise. Although we are in the early stages of the cause, we have a facebook page and website up. I ask all of you that wish to see this franchise saved from mediocrity and return it to its glory to join us!   https://www.facebook.com/groups122472678640/

Mitchz95

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Report this Jun. 16 2013, 9:43 pm

Frankly, I think JJ Abrams did save Star Trek with his movies. The franchise was dying after the failures of the Enterprise series and Nemesis movie, and Abrams' movies were both commercially successful and critically acclaimed. Trek is back with a vengeance, and I think we'll even be seeing more TV shows soon.


As for the thematic content of the new movies, they are definitely more action-oriented than many of the older episodes. But they do still have themes and morals, such as Into Darkness's cautionary tale of Starfleet officers willing to give up freedom for security. And the character development is there too; it's just not as dragged out because they only have movies to work with and not TV seasons.


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

Catholic.Fan

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Report this Jun. 16 2013, 10:39 pm

Indeed.  Storytelling is business in Hollywood, and the 2009 reboot beat every Trek film before it, even when adjusting for inflation.  Instead of just booing what you don't like about the "current direction", why don't you put that effort into telling Paramount what you did like about the films, and how you'd love to see more of that.  There's plenty in both Abrams films that harkens back to the good ol' days.  Positivity does wonders for encouraging change; negativity is easily ignored, especially when they're ignoring you all the way to the bank.  

Section31Captain

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 4:41 am

Although I am well aware that this is an open forum, I did not create this post in order to engage other fans in a debate of our respective opinions. My only intention was to be informative for those that are unhappy with the direction of the franchise. That you felt the need to be condescendingly critical of my opinion and try to belittle my position instead of asking about them is exactly the type of situation I would like to avoid. You feel I am being negative yet have gone out of your way to thrust your opinion with someone that does not share it. Wouldn't have merely asking me to explain my feelings been more prudent? With that stated, I ask that ALL fans to be respectful of others and not turn this post into a discussion where people are attacked and/or vilified for thier thoughts, feelings and opinions. Let me be very clear that this movement in is its very early stages and that our displeasure is deeper than what we have been offered in the films. In the near future I will be addressing all of our concerns succicntly on the sites we have created.

bunkey

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 6:04 am

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Instead of just booing what you don't like about the "current direction", why don't you put that effort into telling Paramount what you did like about the films, and how you'd love to see more of that.


List of things I liked about the films:


1-The new uniform fabric


 


The End.

Catholic.Fan

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 7:39 am

Quote: Section31Captain @ Jun. 17 2013, 4:41 am

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>Although I am well aware that this is an open forum, I did not create this post in order to engage other fans in a debate of our respective opinions. My only intention was to be informative for those that are unhappy with the direction of the franchise. That you felt the need to be condescendingly critical of my opinion and try to belittle my position instead of asking about them is exactly the type of situation I would like to avoid. You feel I am being negative yet have gone out of your way to thrust your opinion with someone that does not share it. Wouldn't have merely asking me to explain my feelings been more prudent? With that stated, I ask that ALL fans to be respectful of others and not turn this post into a discussion where people are attacked and/or vilified for thier thoughts, feelings and opinions. Let me be very clear that this movement in is its very early stages and that our displeasure is deeper than what we have been offered in the films. In the near future I will be addressing all of our concerns succicntly on the sites we have created.

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If you are not open to debate, then a forum is the wrong place to spread the word of your intent.  If my words (or the words of the poster before me) come off as condescending or belittling, I would respectfully suggest you are not emotionally prepared for this venture.  Nobody has attacked or villified you, but such things are likely to happen if you're going to move forward with this idea (not by me specifically, but once you try and bring this to a wider audience).


You say I should have asked you what your feelings were?  You said "unhappy" with the "current direction".  You told us your feelings right there.  If it's more complicated than that, perhaps a one paragraph introduction was an insufficient way to begin, as well.  I'm not trying to be mean, but with a big capitalized thread called "SAVE STAR TREK" on a Star Trek forum, you're going to find opposition from those that don't think it needs saving.  I didn't even say I disagreed with your position, that it needs saving, only offered an alternative approach that might see more results than the method you've displayed thus far.


I wish you the best of luck with your ideas.

crellmoset

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 11:38 am

You know that you don't really need to explain your feelings, right? We've already heard all the pointless complaints ad nauseum for more than 4 years. 


Ethics are arbitrary.

Jeen Luck Pickerd

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 1:22 pm

This is what I think the new movies are good movies by them selves, but they arn't star trek movies. They don't have that "star trek feal" to them. In the words of LeVar Burton "At the end of the movie I really care about what happens to the characters, but I’m pretty much missing Gene Roddenberry in J.J.’s interpretation. And at the end of the day, that’s just not OK for me."


 


(I got the quote from here http://www.treknews.net/2013/06/16/levar-burton-star-trek-into-darkness-is-missing-gene-roddenberry/ )


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shaun.black.5895

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 2:47 pm

There are so many problems in this film, I don't know where to start.  I will just pick out the scene near the end where the ships are fighting.  Why could they send a message to "new vulcan" and not to star fleet to alert them of the evil admiral? Or, why couldn't "new vulcan" send the distress call? Where were all the other ships, they were in the Sol System for crying out loud! The ships falling to earth? They would have been intercepted and easily tractored to safety in the normal star trek universe.


Those are just a couple of problems I saw; I could easily tear this movie apart and show it is not a star trek movie.  Its a absolute mockery of star trek, clearly directed by someone that read the foot notes on the star trek genre, not a real fan. 


To the person who said "abrams saved star trek", you should be ashamed of yourself.  Star Trek didn't need saving, it stood just find on its on.  I would rather watch every pre-abram movie and episode over and over again before I ever watch another hack job by abrams.


Why did he have to steal scenes from the Wrath of Khan, instead of coming up with original material? It is very sad to see so many "fans" siding with abrams.  Makes you wonder if they have ever even seen a episode.


Makes me miss the good ole days when the movies were directed by men like Frakes.  keep it in the family.  Save the directing for directors that understand the franchise.


 

GuardianAngel1

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 3:09 pm

I for one went into the new direction with an open mind, and found the result surprisingly pleasant. I enjoy seeing things as they could be, rather than re-interpretations of things that have already been. I'm a loyal fan of Star Trek, and I see these new movies as another innovation in the huge realm that is the ST universe. That's the great thing about ST, the sky isn't the limit, and I find JJ's movies to be full of really great ideas. He uses interesting angles in almost every shot, he has a ridiculous amount of detail, and in the end, the actors have fun and so does the audience.


 


"Excuse me....excuse me. I'd just like to ask a question...what does God need with a starship?" -James T. Kirk

shaun.black.5895

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 3:16 pm

Quote: GuardianAngel1 @ Jun. 17 2013, 3:09 pm

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>I for one went into the new direction with an open mind, and found the result surprisingly pleasant. I enjoy seeing things as they could be, rather than re-interpretations of things that have already been.


 


Have you ever seen the Wrath of Khan? This was nothing but a complete rip off, or in your words, a "re-interpretation" of material made by better men than abrams.

crellmoset

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 3:24 pm

Quote: shaun.black.5895 @ Jun. 17 2013, 3:16 pm

Quote: GuardianAngel1 @ Jun. 17 2013, 3:09 pm

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>I for one went into the new direction with an open mind, and found the result surprisingly pleasant. I enjoy seeing things as they could be, rather than re-interpretations of things that have already been.

 

Have you ever seen the Wrath of Khan? This was nothing but a complete rip off, or in your words, a "re-interpretation" of material made by better men than abrams.


 


I've seen it a bunch of times. You're just whining and confusing your opinion as fact. Wrath of Khan was a good movie and it had more holes than a meerkat colony.


Ethics are arbitrary.

heronymous

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 3:28 pm

Section31Captain , your link isn't working for me ! There are already Groups on Facebook opposing the Nu Star Trek . You should mention this on Save Sci Fi (facebook) ! Also there are many unhappy Trekkies trolling the official Star Trek Facebook Page , who would be happy to join your Group !


But , let me say that although the Nu Star Trek is just Mainstream Action , I think we should distinguish between a Major Movie and a Series . A lot of moviegoers prefer action movies , but the more serious amongst us want a thoughtful series . I don't think JJ Abrams is really doing anything that a commercially successful Producer/Director wouldn't do ?!

GuardianAngel1

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 4:35 pm

Quote: crellmoset @ Jun. 17 2013, 3:24 pm

Quote: shaun.black.5895 @ Jun. 17 2013, 3:16 pm

Quote: GuardianAngel1 @ Jun. 17 2013, 3:09 pm

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>I for one went into the new direction with an open mind, and found the result surprisingly pleasant. I enjoy seeing things as they could be, rather than re-interpretations of things that have already been.

 

Have you ever seen the Wrath of Khan? This was nothing but a complete rip off, or in your words, a "re-interpretation" of material made by better men than abrams.

 

I've seen it a bunch of times. You're just whining and confusing your opinion as fact. Wrath of Khan was a good movie and it had more holes than a meerkat colony.


Lol, good point! Yes, of course I have seen Wrath of Kahn...who hasn't? I for one will not miss the chick with the plastic third boob.


"Excuse me....excuse me. I'd just like to ask a question...what does God need with a starship?" -James T. Kirk

Section31Captain

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 5:31 pm

A common misconception with passive fans is that Star Trek was moribund and needed to be saved. How so? There were the novels, comics, fan films, groups, rpg's, etc, etc. In any case, it was decided to "re-boot" the franchise, so lets start there. Although I did not feel a re-boot was needed, I was fine with the idea. I usually make it a habit to go out of my way and not read anything about a forthcoming film. 2009 was no exception. It was when I read the prequel comic "Countdown" that my biggest gripe stems. Roberto Orci has stated that anything Trek with his name is canon. That being the case, he has altered the prime timeline as well. The characters of Picard, La Forge, Worf and B4 must now adhere to his canon. Romulus is destroyed, etc. That's awful. Then I saw the film and read the novelization and did not like them. I did like the fact that it allowed a young generation of fans to come see what they had been missing all these years. What I did not like was how militant they were. All over the net they felt it was their right to tell older, established fans that we were wrong and resorted to attacking and vilifying people with an opposite opinion. It is still happening to this day. Is that what Trek is all about? Saddening. It was from there that I learned about Abrams, Orci, et. al. The fact that they are all admitted Star Wars fans and are trying to re-imagine our franchise in that vision is a disgrace. After the hoopla died down from the last film, where were the passive fans? I was still reading the novels, still watching episodes everyday, still adding to my collection, etc. So then we come to the current day. It is revealed that Abrams wants his Trek to be the only canon and stop any and all production of other Trek. Who the hell does he think he is? Oh wait, he is the man that saved Star Trek. Then it is revealed that Orci wants any new series to be animated in the likes of "The Clone Wars". Ironic because even Star Wars fans are embarassed by it. Then there was Orci being asked how he feels about what he is doing and responds that he has Rod Roddenberry on speed dial. Rod Roddenberry. The man that claims he did not know what his father meant to people until after he passed away. Let me also include an incident from July of 2009, just after the film was released. I bought the new issue of Star Trek Magazine and read it at work. There was an article about the Borg. As I was reading it, I noticed multiple errors. The very next morning, I went to the magazines page on facebbok and asked if anyone else caught all of the errors. The author of the article asked me to point them out. I did. As he tried in vain to explain them, the editor himself got involved. To make a long story short, as he becomes aware of  my passion and knowledge, he tries to avoid and deflect the issue by asking me if I have ever considered writting an article. I knew damn well that you must be in the writers guild in order for your work to be published. He then states that the article was written for new fans! Incredulous. What does he do? He takes a shot at me in the very next issue in his editor's note by stating that all of the articles that appear in the magazine are by Trek professionals. This is what we have resorted to? I am not active on any of the Trek sites I am a member of for the simple fact that I am disheartened to see how fans treat each other. I believe in I.D.I.C. and it is NOT my intention to go out of my way to thrust my opinions and feelings onto others. I started a movement to save the franchise I love so dearly because I feel it has lost its way in more important aspects other than bad films. Don't agree with me? I do not have an issue with that. Feel I am emotionally incapable of dealing with an endevour of this magnitude, feel free to engage me in personal emails. As I stated previously, I do not want this post to evolve into a debate and where fans attack other fans. RESPECT each other people.

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