ATTENTION: The Boards will be closed permanently on May 28th, 2014. Posting will be disabled on April 28th, 2014. More Info

What could a new ST series be about?

EvilTree

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 50

Report this Jun. 27 2013, 8:20 am

@Numb_Thumbz
I see where you're coming from with Enterprise and the reboot movies that Star Trek has been about advancing but there have been good reasons to do those shows. ENT would have shown us just how much humans have advanced, getting past any xenophobia remaining, not abusing their power, using their current technology, it was meant to show humanity when they were just getting their bearings and to show how they have advanced to the level of diplomacy and tactfulness we take for granted in TNG. The reboots were needed to bring ST back into the open, everyone knows of Kirk and his crew so the best way to reintroduce ST to the public is to reintroduce Kirk. I know the big action and battles wasn't Roddenberry's original intention but some of the best works of ST, including DS9, were only made possible after he died.


I also get why you think ST is dead but lets not forget how it died before. Star trek was canceled after season 3 and was left alone for many years then 18 years later Star Trek TNG aired and the franchise entered a new golden age, before then everyone considered ST dead. Maybe what ST needs to do is go into a period of rest, maybe have the movies for a few more years and then out of the blue a new series with new writers and ideas comes that reignites the franchise. ST already came to an end and it came back so I'm still hopeful for ST continuation.


Hey world, I'm here to comment on the message boards and keep my eyes open in case a new Star Trek series shows up.

Tellarites4Ever

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 9

Report this Jun. 27 2013, 10:17 am

While I would love to see Trek make its return to TV, I really don't think that now is a good time.  Let's face it, right now, sci-fi is pretty dead on television and most sci-fi programs that get put on the air are usually cancelled after 1-3 seasons.  I don't want Trek to come back only to be taken away again.


For something like Trek, I'm not really sure that going back to TV is a viable option and I do believe that other avenues should maybe be explored to see what would work best.  Things like maybe a new cartoon, direct to dvd movies, or even a show made exclusively for online viewing.  Those are just some ideas to toss out there.


As to what we could potentially expect from a new Trek series.  I think it'll be one of two things really.


1)  A ship in the NuTrek Universe.


2)  A ship set 100+ years after Star Trek Nemesis (kind of like how TOS went to TNG).


Personally, I think that in order for Trek to remain new it has to branch out into different kinds of storytelling.  While travelling the stars is the core thing for the show, there's only so much that can be done before it gets repetitive.  We've had five series of specifically that.  So here's a thought to play around with... What about a Trek that was something like Grey's Anatomy, or a CSI, or Blue Bloods?  This could be translated easily to a show about Section 31 / Starfleet Intelligence, Starfleet Medical... what about the Starfleet Corps. of Engineers?  I think that such shows would quite potentially be very nice character driven pieces that we might not necessarily get from a ship-based show.


Anyways, that's my two slips of latinum.

EvilTree

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 50

Report this Jun. 27 2013, 10:47 am

@JoCat
If I could get a job writing for ST I would be a happy man. Yeah some of the actors have aged a bit and if they want to make cameos in the next series it has to be a decent way into the future, Jonathan Frakes has a bit too much grey in his beard to play a young Riker.


I looked at your question, I don't have an answer for it but I'll try searching google in case someone has an answer.


Hey world, I'm here to comment on the message boards and keep my eyes open in case a new Star Trek series shows up.

EvilTree

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 50

Report this Jun. 27 2013, 1:03 pm

@Tellarites4Ever
Sci-fi isn't dead, Fringe lasted for many seasons before it ended, Warehouse 13 is still going, but out of all the Sci-fi shows there's nothing like Star Trek on TV and nature abhors a vacuum. However you make interesting points about a different medium, online series's, maybe a radio drama, as a strange coincidence I've been thinking of doing another post like this one about the prospect of a new animated series.


I understand your desire for a medical and law driven ST, in fact a couple of other people on this board agree with you, but keep in mind that ST has already done a few of those kind of episodes, Court Martial in TOS and Genesis in TNG to name a couple. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, those kind of plots make a nice break from endless exploration, but I don't think you can build an entire series on those subjects. Most diseases have been eradicated, with no money and replicators material theft would be non-existent, so any crime and disease to warrant those shows would be very serious.


But the biggest points against those shows are a) ST is an exploration show with side plots of medical, crime ect not the other way around and b) simply recycling the themes of CSI and Greys Anatomy in space is something to be avoided. If these shows would be made they would need to be distinctly different from the shows we have today, otherwise why watch them when you could just tune into the ones not set in space?


Hey world, I'm here to comment on the message boards and keep my eyes open in case a new Star Trek series shows up.

johnny3154

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 4

Report this Jun. 27 2013, 4:20 pm

I have always wondered why no one has thought of expanding on the events at the beginning of the movie: "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country." Captain John Harriman and the Enterprise-B has, apparently, became a forgotten topic in the ST universe. There have been some novels written about the adventures of Hikaru Sulu and the USS Excelsior, but nothing else was ever mentioned again about the Enterprise-B and its crew. Just throwing a thought out there.

EvilTree

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 50

Report this Jun. 28 2013, 1:48 am

@Johnny3154
Yeah it's kinda weird how easily they wrote out the Enterprise B, seeing how John Harriman develops as a captain from his initial appearance would be nice to see. If a new series would be based on his exploits it would be good that little has been expanded on him, that means an TV show would have a lot of freedom in writing the episodes and where to take his character.


Hey world, I'm here to comment on the message boards and keep my eyes open in case a new Star Trek series shows up.

Utopia Planetia

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 88

Report this Jul. 04 2013, 11:07 am

I'm against just about any rehashing of old star trek elements. Star trek has never been about the characters -- if it were, there'd be no need to set it in space. Star trek is about utopian futurism. And that's what was lost in voyager and enterprise.


Star trek has to inspire the world about possibilities for technology. That's much more difficult to do today than 20 or 50 years ago, because we're living with so many of the technologies star trek envisioned, only much earlier than star trek predicted. Voyager and enterprise failed to inspire on that front. DS9 wasn't futurist at all, though it explicitly set out to avoid futurism and utopianism, so it can be forgiven on that front.


But when I watch shows today like Black Mirror, a UK show (look it up, it's really great), it leaves me as a viewer questioning the utility, value, and wisdom of creating and using these rapidly emerging technologies. It gives me a vocabulary and focus to vent my discomfort with people's thoughtless, bandwagon adoption of any gadget mass marketed, or better, trendy and preening exclusive. It talks about the absurdities of a mass communication platform that is almost entirely unregulated and that has predictably devolved into a middle school cafeteria, with all the sadism, self-loathing, gross irrationality, and banality that implies. It addresses questions about the recent trend of allowing technologies to substitute for human interaction, many using technologies as a shield to avoid dealing with difficult problems. When was the last time you recall a star trek production doing this? Addressing in a fundamental, unsettling, and moving way the topical, urgent problems brought on by this technology era? The answer is you can't. You can't recall Star Trek jostling you out of your comfort zone the way Black Mirror, or Orphan Black, or a dozen other technology-centric shows do today. Star trek has devolved into soap opera in space. And savants who insist that JJ Abrams' starfleet acadamy movies are a serious effort to address the problem . . . how can you address people who believe such nonsense? These movies, though beautiful -- at least the second one -- have the depth of an episode of degrassi high.


There is real sci fi happening today. But essentially all of it is dystopian because we're living in an era of dystopian politics. Star trek is the only show that seriously ventured to address both deep questions about the values and risks of technologies, and outline a vision of political and human maturity, beyond our current adolescent and simplistic obsessions. But it has failed to do that for the last twenty years. And now science has moved on. Science fiction has moved on. And if the rights holders for star trek aren't careful, their audience will move on to more moving media and their cash cow will be milked dry.

EvilTree

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 50

Report this Jul. 04 2013, 1:19 pm

@Utopia Planetia
You make some very valid points about the Sci-fi of today (Black Mirror sounds interesting I'll be sure to check it out). Being a longtime viewer of Fringe I understand your stance of dystopian tech, every episodes extremists and rouge scientists were using advanced technology to kill and experiment on innocent people. Star Trek has show episodes where abuse of technology can lead to disaster, in fact that was a large part of Voyager's first seasons in them not giving tech to the Kazon, and how human immaturity has created many problems but I admit it hasn't done so in a while.


However there are points you mentioned that I disagree with. For starters you claim ST has devolved into a soap opera in space but ST originally was planned to be a soap opera in space but it was thanks to TNG that it broke from that shell and expanded. I guess I agree on how it's moved back into the TOS era style of writing but that isn't far off when ST began. Also the ST movies aren’t meant to be that deep (name a ST movie that comes close to the dept and philosophy of the TV series), ST movies are meant to inspire awe to a wide audience with phasers and explosions, ST series are meant to be thought provoking to a select audience with philosophy and discussion.


In the end ST has two options, to go down the route of modern Sci-fi and become darker and reflecting the dark nature of humanity or try to show their utopian future in a new light and show how humanity can overcome all challenges, especially themselves. I would pick the second option because that is what every ST show/movie/book is based on. I wouldn't want to see a ST series becoming darker just because the other series were doing it, thats just copying them, I want a ST series that can talk about the topics you mentioned but shows us that humans can overcome them.


Hey world, I'm here to comment on the message boards and keep my eyes open in case a new Star Trek series shows up.

McCoy.lover.101

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 1

Report this Jul. 04 2013, 9:40 pm

hey there I'm Starting a Star trek Fan club I have a lot of idea for the show if any one wants to join we can make a fan movie and a fan series


http://theelitetreks.webs.com/


 


Cpt. Morgan Gravely of the U.S.S Emerald

pst1993

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 8

Report this Jul. 04 2013, 10:12 pm

I think a new Star Trek should focus on what happened after events that led to the reboot.  While I love Star Trek Online, let's face it, anything that's not a TV show or one of the movies is non-canon.

Utopia Planetia

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 88

Report this Jul. 04 2013, 11:33 pm

@EvilTree


Yes, I think we're on the same page. I suggested as much in my comment, but to reiterate, I don't support dystopian star trek. Both voyager and enterprise veered there and I think it was to their detriments. Utopianism is star trek's value for our dreary era. Where the dystopian shows highlight problems, star trek solves them. Where dystopian shows raise questions, star trek answers them.


My problem is that star trek since voyager hasn't been asking interesting or deep questions at all, and the questions it's raised have been answered half assedly, with formulae and convention. It hasn't given us a vocabulary to define our unspoken discomforts and an outline to address them in decades. Deep space nine, which was great, didn't even attempt this, which is fine. But voyager and enterprise, which did, failed miserably. And next generation was nothing but an ensemble show by the 7th season.


Do watch Black Mirror when you get a minute. I think you'll have a stronger sense of what I mean after seeing it. I've watched the first 3 episodes so far. The 3rd is the strongest, followed by the 1st and 2nd, in that order. But they are all deeply unsettling, and all give voice to my and our collective nagging discomforts with the current technology dump we're dealing with. Also check out Orphan Black, an addictive canadian show broadcast on BBC America if you're in the US. Both those shows frighten, surprise, depress, excite . . . and more than all that, it's like they read the minds of the their viewers. Star trek used to do that. It used to represent on screen the futures so many subconsciously yearned for.


And you're of course correct that none of the star trek movies has ever been or aimed to be deep. They've set out to be theatre fillers, as you said. But here's hoping the last two movies are no indication of where the rights holders want to take the next series. Because good and great star trek is needed more today than ever. If there were ever an era that needed hope and utopianism, it's our's.

EvilTree

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 50

Report this Jul. 05 2013, 8:34 am

@pst1993
That would be interesting, seeing how the galaxy has changed since Romulus blew up, I think in terms of likely wars and various species involved STO's storyline is quite believable.


Hey world, I'm here to comment on the message boards and keep my eyes open in case a new Star Trek series shows up.

EvilTree

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 50

Report this Jul. 05 2013, 10:18 am

@Utopia Planetia
Ah, thanks for clearing that up, we do need ST's utopian view to brighten things up. One thing ST was good at was conveying and discussing real-world problems and events despite being set in the future. ST The undiscovered country and other Klingon episodes had allegories to the cold war and TNG did episodes touching on many subjects at the time from torture to video game addiction. A new ST series would have loads of real world problems to tackle, hactivist groups that may leak Federation secrets, allegories could be made with the arab spring and maybe a economic crisis with the Ferengi just to name a few. To see how a new ST series finds solutions to these problems would not only make good television but may also brighten our rather bleak modern Sci-fi outlook.


I'll have a look at those shows when I have the time.


Hey world, I'm here to comment on the message boards and keep my eyes open in case a new Star Trek series shows up.

buchworm

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 503

Report this Jul. 06 2013, 2:45 pm

I'd like to see a new series placed chronologically after Nemesis.  I like the idea of exploring a distant galaxy.  There are both technological and natural ways for a starship to be transported either accidentally or deliberately.  Given my thought, though, it would probably be accidental.  The far from home angle has already been done with Voyager, but they knew they could reasonably get home, though, they had in mind a 75-year trip.  By being transported to a distant galaxy, the crew of a starship could be in a situation in which they would expect to spend the rest of their lives in this new place.  A trip between galaxies would be a problem with conventional Star Trek methods of propulsion because there are minimal resources in the void.  How would they adapt?  They'd likely have to compromise their starfleet principles in more ways than we've seen in prior series. 

EvilTree

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 50

Report this Jul. 07 2013, 2:37 am

@buchworm
I've heard a few suggestions about going to other galaxies as a new series but I think it's both a tad unrealistic and unnecessary. There is still much of the galaxy to explore, I doubts even if most of the Alpha quadrant has been explored, so you don't need to go to another galaxy to find the unknown. Plus even with slipstream tech it I'm betting it would take a very long time to reach Andromeda.


However the idea can still be used with some tweaking, I think if any new galaxy is to be explored in Trek it would be one of the Milky way's satellite galaxies, the Large and small metallic clouds and Sagittarius dwarf galaxy to name a few. That would be close enough to explore and would involve going through a large portion of the dark space between galaxies, I can see a series being made on that plot.


Hey world, I'm here to comment on the message boards and keep my eyes open in case a new Star Trek series shows up.

Forum Permissions

You cannot post new topics in this forum

You cannot reply to topics in this forum

You cannot delete posts in this forum