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What could a new ST series be about?

EvilTree

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Report this Jun. 14 2013, 9:14 am

Every now and again I find myself looking at Google News searching "Star trek new series" and am met with nothing but a few fanbased ones and a couple of kickstarter projects. With the movies igniting a wave of new fans and rekindling old ones this is a peak time for trekkies, but the movies don't address the themes of exploration, characters and many real world problems that a TV series would do. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I want a new series but then I start thinking what would it would be about. I have made a few ideas with for and against parts for them bellow and it would be good to hear yours.


Idea 1: Star Trek: Destiny
A TV series adaptation of the books written by David Mack. These books tell of a Borg invasion that makes the other Borg attacks look like small pub brawls, 7461 Borg vessels VS everything else in the galaxy. It's cast is a mixture from all the ST shows bar TOS with a bunch of new ones and a plot involving the origin of the Borg, the continuation of character favourites, the fate of the NX-02 and how to bring them all together. (I won't reveal anymore due to spoilers) 


For: With so many well known ST characters and actors that would come together for this project some of the older fans who haven't been satisfied with the movies might be interested. It would also be a great chance to bring the scare factor back to the Borg after the villain decay they endured in Voyager. It could also help highlight ST literature as people will probably start buying the books for ST Destiny from the hype of the show, the same thing happened with The Hunger Games and Game of Thrones. This would be good for ST: Destiny and could also raise interest in other ST books and increase their sales.


Against: Since there are so many characters from pre-existing shows there is no guarantee they would all want to take part in this series, if a actor of a character central to the plot were to not show up and be replaced by someone else, or worse the story itself altered, it may damage the show too much. Plus this was originally a book and book-to-TV adaptations haven't always been good, maybe better than book-to-movie but still not as good, so pre-existing fans of the books might be dissatisfied with the result. 


Another point is that you can't make an entire series out of just a trilogy, maybe just one season. Though that may be more appealing to investors as they would not need to pour in money for an entire series, just one series to see the publics reactions. If favourable then they might invest fully into a series, like idea 2.


Idea 2: Star Trek: The Typhon Pact


After the Borg invasion in ST: Destiny political powers shifted in very concerning ways.


"Banded together from remote galaxies sectors are thirteen six of the most sinister villains of all time, the Legion of Doom Typhon pact! Dedicated to a single objective, the conquest of the universe galaxy. Only one group dares to challenge this intergalactic threat, The Super Friends Federation!"


Ok terrible attempt at humour aside The Typhon pact is a union of Romulan, Breen, Gorn, Tholian and two other groups I can't remember the names off formed after the invasion. With all major powers weakened by the Borg and this union against the Feds and Klingons has spawned, and will spawn more, novels about this cold war between galactic powers. Various acts involve stealing slipstream tech from the feds and tech from the dominion but it's early in it's development so more is sure to come.


For: The threat of Cold war between powers would cause a constant threat of attack to even the most faraway Fed explorers, tension that could be broken at anytime and bring the scare factor of a Romulan warbird decloaking right in front of your ship that we felt in TNG. Another interesting point would be how the destruction of Romulus would play into this plot, what would the Feds do? Will they try and help the Romulans or after so long holding their fingers on the trigger will they see this as a chance to end the pact for good. I see this as showing the darker side of the Federation the DS9 showed us and how gritty a cold war can be.


Against: The pact was set up as a direct result of ST: Destiny and so need that backstory to be probably understood. You could let the formation of it come into dialogue and flashback episodes but you can't simply drop a huge event like the end of ST: Destiny into simple conversation, stuff like that needs to be shown. You may be able to put ST: Destiny into a flashback season but it runs the risk of being too out of place and suffers the same cons as previously mentioned, including the book-to-TV risk. Another problem is these books are still being written and if such a show were to be produced the developers and the book writers may come into conflict over what happens next, a minor point but worth noting.


Arguably there are other books that could be converted to TV, the Full Circle books with new and old Voyager characters going back to the Delta, the escapades of Captain Mackenzie Calhoun in ST: New frontier but enough about books, onto something completely new.


Idea 3: Star Trek: Academy
You hear about the academy on screen be it the professors or the knowledge given, you see it replicated by a group of three-legged aliens and you see it after the Breen have said hello. But what really goes on here? What kind of ordeals, metal, physical and phycological, have to happen to turn your freshmen strait out of their previous jobs into the reliable and resourceful Starfleet officers you see on the show? Students from a wide range of backgrounds, species and ages would attend the academy and come out officers, to see what they go through that makes them that would be a first for ST.


For: The switch from cruising the galaxy to sitting in a lecture theatre may seem boring to watch but many said the same about DS9, said show is now one of the most respected and loves ST's out there. Character development over the 4 year cadet period has so many possibilities. And the cast doesn't have to be all students, the roles of the professors and the interaction between the two would be good to see. Another nice thing about this idea is you can place it at any time you want, TOS, in the Dominion war, the 25th century, it wouldn't matter. Though in my opinion crossing over with the dominion war would be good with professors arguing about how they are advancing cadets before they're ready and maybe a three parter during the Breen attack where they can kill off some characters for the drama.


Against: One of the big challenge would be trying to market this without making it look like some highschool drama. Some aspects like jock bullies or superficial girls could be phased out as they get older in later seasons but the initial presence may be enough to deter said future seasons. I admit the storylines would be limited for action and invasion being on Earth, the centre of everything safe in Fed space, and the most violent they could get would be a bar brawl between drunk cadets or police at a student protest. However the biggest reason why not to do this in my opinion is if we do want to bring Trek back to TV it's best done with traditional trek rather than this, you wouldn't bring back a classic fighting game by turning it into an RPG. The idea is considerable as a latter series but not as an initial one.


Mostly I see this as doing one of the things ST is best at, challenging real world problems in the future setting, in this case the stress of university or social rejection from background, race and beliefs (possibly look at Worf's or Nog's time at the academy and how they coped or B'Elanna's time and how she dropped out). Plus showing the progress of a naive cadent just wanting to go out and blast Romulans and get the girl moulded into a capable officer, and person, would certainly help showcase Roodenberry's ideas for a utopian society.


Idea 4: The Earth-Romulan War
The Federations longest running enemy who left a legacy of fear and destruction without ever being seen by the enemy. Their war with Earth is one of the great historical events of Star Trek lore yet we know so little about the conflict, the battles, the sacrifices, the lengths each side would go to for victory. This series would provide us with the details, the names and the tragedies that came with a war thats aftermath spanned centuries.


For: To expand upon this conflict and the people in it would help piece together one of the most important, yet mostly unknown, events in ST. We have some background information to go with, the tragedies of the Stiles family could provide more links between ENT and TOS and several other battles know from the books, but the best thing is how little we know. Four whole years of conflict with who knows how many battles are just waiting to be envisioned and produced. It would likely be shorter than a regular series with only four years but it may be enough to encourage work on more series. The crew of the NX-01 would be needed and this is the perfect opportunity to redeem ST: Enterprise in the eyes of the sci-fi community, learning from the mistakes of some seasons and keeping some elements of season 4 it could be great.


Against: Being part of the Enterprise continuity, commonly labelled as the worst trek show, could stop this show before it starts. The studios are unlikely to invest in a series so closely linked to it and a large majority of fans are unlikely to support it either. Enterprise has also introduces a lot of continuity errors of the Romulan war, the existence of cloaking technology no matter how energy consuming would have been an advantage. It was said in TSO nuclear weapons were used yet with phasers and photons who needs nukes? Some of these could be continuity overlooks in TOS's writing, they might have even said Romulans don't have warp which considering they are a major galactic power before the war is impossible. But enterprise's reputation and the restriction of neither side looking at each other might discourage even the writers, plus is trying to bring back ST to TV using the setting of the series some argue killed them off is the best idea? Maybe the ENT era should be left along for a while anyway.


Idea 5: A Star Trek series based in Abrams universe
Vulcan is destroyed, Kirk and many other characters stories have changed and Into Darkness likely showcases more of these changes (I say likely because I haven't seen that movie yet). All these fundamental changes could have great repercussions for the future of the new universe. Will the Romulans and Klingon's gain a better foothold without Vulcan's pervious place in the Federation? Will prime Spock warn the Federation of the upcoming Borg, Dominion and Species 8472 threats? Did Tuvok's parents die during the explosion, potentially stopping all events of Voyager? These and a hundred more changes could alter the events we know beyond recognition.


For: Theres the potential to tell the stories of Borg first contact, the Cardassian war, the Dominion threat in a completely different light, maybe with completely different people than the ones who did it in the prime universe. The ability to not simply retell and rewrite but also to make those stories better, learning from the mistakes of the previous universe we may see an Enterprise-D with a less annoying Troi or no Wesley. Another good thing is that JJ has also express interest in a new series set in his universe and with his involvement funding may not be a problem and fresh actors to play the old roles may seem odd at first but it certainly worked for the new films.


Against: I admit this is not as appealing to me as the other ideas, I don't have anything wrong with JJ's films it's just that making a series in the same universe kinda defeats the point of several of my ideas. One reason the new films haven't sat well with everyone is because they seem to take over and negate the prime universe and a series based in the new one would attract the newer fans but maybe not the old ones. We need to be reminded that the prime universe is still there and kicking and the best way to show it would be on TV, not everyone wants to read the books or play MMORPG's. Also it would be hard to replace the actors of some characters, the rousing speeches of Patrick Steward, the in-depth character role of Michael Dorn or the unmistakable acting of Andrew Robinson, Jeffery Combs and Brent Spiner. It's not that the resulting show would be bad, it may be great, but the minor universe has had enough attention as of late and the prime needs a comeback.


  


Sorry if this post seems too long or overwhelming this is my first time writing a topic on this website and this subject has been on my mind for a while now, hope you all understood my ramblings and possible continuity mistakes. So there you have it, my five ideas with the Pros and Cons that I've managed to come up with, write your opinion to these ideas in a reply. Or if you have any further Pros and Cons or ideas of your own please write them in a reply.


 


EDIT: After so many comments a few trends have started to appear now. From the sounds of it both suggestions for shows set in wartime, 1 and 4, have been near unanimously disapproved and probably for good reason, Trek is about exploration not war. Star Trek Academy has also not been recognized very well, then again I didn't expect it to, and there have been mixed reactions for the Abramverse.


From what I've read there are four most popular suggested:
1. Set a series that directly follows the events of TNG, DS9 and VOY. It's certainly an interesting time what with the Romulans now working with the Feds, the Cardassian's power and influence reduced and it would be about the time the impacts of the Dominion War aftermath would be kicking in.
2. Set a new series in the gap between TOS and TNG, seeing the exploits of the Enterprise B or C, first contacts of many TNG species such as the Ferengi, Cardassians and Breen. Also seeing the advent of replicators and other technology would be nice to see.
3. USS Titan, expanding the book series staring Riker, Troi, Tuvok and many more characters. This seems like the best series to fit into suggestion 1. and would be a nice transition back to the TV. I admit some of the actors have aged a bit to play their parts again, Jonathan Frakes has a bit too much grey in his beard, but someone suggested an animated adaptation instead, this would certainly make it easier for the actors and allow the diverse crew of the Titan to be displayed but the animation may make it less realistic and remove some of the more trek elements.
4. A large time-skip, this isn't my favourite option but it would allow a lot of freedom on the writers parts and help start afresh after so many years.


Nice ideas, some certainly more realistic than some of my own. I was thinking about the idea about an animated Trek and the advantages and disadvantages of it and made another post in my spare time here. I like the idea, particularly if the series involves previous ST actors who many not look like their characters anymore but I have doubts whether it would be well received by the larger community and may not be the reviving boost needed to reignite ST shows. Just an idea though, check it out.


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Pooneil

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Report this Jun. 15 2013, 8:59 am

I think a Star Trek show based on Star Trek novels is unlikely, for the same reason that Star Wars sequels based on Star Wars books is unlikely: the writers would want to create something new without having to rely on something someone else has already written. Trek began on TV, and the books were always secondary -- to turn Destiny or the Typhon Pact (or New Frontiers or whatever) into a TV show would be redundant and possibly confusing, with too many characters and too much continuity.


For the same reason I don't think a Romulan War show would work. It would be a prequel, like those lame episodes of Enterprise's last season that attempted to explain how the Trills got their spots. The outcome would be known already and the suspense would be manufactured. Understanding what was going on would require familiarity with Enterprise and previous shows -- or it would be simplified into a generic sci-fi space war show. Space wars are like post-apocalyptic shows: there are a lot of them, and they risk repeating themselves.


Starfleet Academy would have to work very hard to be a science fiction show rather than a college drama with funny clothes. Without an adventure, it would become a soap opera. The idea has been brought up thousands of times before, but I honestly can't imagine any way it would work.


A more likely new series would be a reboot along the lines of the new movies. A space adventure, with perhaps some ethical dilemmas and moral quandaries thrown in to spice it up. I suppose there are lots of fans (and probably a few would-be screenwriters) who would love to see the Borg or the Dominion rewritten and retold in a "better" way, but I'd much rather see them start over from scratch. There are certain ideas that form the backbone of Star Trek: the evolution of humanity, optimism about the future, and the quality of human nature. There's no need to compete with the old shows by rehashing old villains and plots -- a phenomenon known as "continuity porn" -- when they can easily come up with something new.


On a side note: the "silver screen" is the movie screen, not the television screen.

EvilTree

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Report this Jun. 15 2013, 11:01 am

I understand what you mean, a new ST show would want to be more original than follow a previously written novel. But that doesn't mean they can't draw inspiration from the novels, a new series could be set in Tython pact time but follow a completely different ship and plot-line. Also I agree on the tension being lost in the Romulan war idea, also Star Trek can't base an entire series around war, maybe a season or two but not a whole series. Kinda defies how it's suppose to be a utopian future show.


I had my doubts about the Academy idea but I still think it could work in some form, maybe have full flashback episodes to the characters time there and show how they changed, may just be filler material but potentially interesting filler. Now that I think about it I wouldn't mind a series set in the new universe, the new setting could bring in some interesting writers and actors (I doubts the movie actors would want or could to do a full series). But I think meeting the Borg and other enemies is unavoidable and it would be hard to start them from scratch after they left such a lasting impression on us.


Yeah the if ST did expand on those humanitarian issues it wouldn't matter where it was set and there's so much galaxy to explore they could avoid telling the old stories again, at least a a while.


(Sorry, I didn't know about that silver screen thing, I'll correct it as soon as I can)


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Report this Jun. 15 2013, 7:50 pm

I also like the idea of a new Star Trek series. I am leaning towards  the USS Titan ship captained by Riker. But I don't think it needs to follow the book series. I like the idea of the series staying in the prime reality also. I donl't mind JJ Abram's alternate reality for the films with the new Captain Kirk because by making that into an alternate reality then the orignal Star Trek story as started by the original Captain Kirk then stays in place. I had at first refused to go to the new movies because I was convinced that they were going to rewrite the entire Star Trek storyline as we knew it.. A storyline that has been going on since 1966 and that had bothered me. But as it is in an alternate reality then that gives the film franchise more room to create new stories for that crew while letting the familiar Star Trek storyline remain in tact. I am not big on a series about an ongoing war of any sort. And I am not sure about the academy idea because, like you said, it may seem too much like a high school drama. Also, like you pointed out, there is still a lot of galaxy to explore. In fact, there could be a series about a ship somehow thrown into a different galaxy altogether. But would need to keep it from being too much like Voyager then.

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Report this Jun. 15 2013, 8:02 pm

Oh, and here is another idea: thusfar, they have explored the Alpha, Beta, and parts of the Gamma quadrant. But as far as I know, no one has explored the Beta Quadrant. Perhaps send a new ship on long term mission in that part of space. It could also be even more futuristic like say the 25th century. This of course would mean a whole new crew and new ship.

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Report this Jun. 15 2013, 9:30 pm

I think Abrams has been wanting to do a spin-off TV series based on his movies but is unable to without CBS's permission, since they own the TV rights to Star Trek. I would most like to see the Romulan War series but worry it would not be Trekkish enough. Trek has usually been about exploration, taking place in peace time, whereas Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars are more about war.

EvilTree

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Report this Jun. 16 2013, 7:26 am

@JoCat
True, following the USS Titan and it's crew would be good, the books could be followed for a main storyline but there would be a lot of time in between those points. One thing though is that I've heard the Titan has a very large number of non-humans, to the point of less that 15% of all the crew members are human, I would say to replicate the large number of aliens would be difficult but with modern makeup and CGI it's not impossible, DS9 managed to have all those aliens without any problems.


"thusfar, they have explored the Alpha, Beta, and parts of the Gamma quadrant. But as far as I know, no one has explored the Beta Quadrant." -I'm pretty sure the Beta quadrant has been explored lots of times, in fact if the source was correct I've heard Earth is positioned at the borderline between the Alpha and the Beta. Exploring a new galaxy is a bit of a stretch given ST technology anyway, I think a more likely exploration target for your proposed 25th century show would be one of the Milky Ways satellite galaxies, the large and small metallic clouds for instance. In fact the Canis Major dwarf galaxy (note there is some scientific disagreement of whether it is a galaxy) is 25000 lightyears away, a third of Voyager's trip and with Slipstream technology explored in ST novels that would make it realisably explorable.


 


That's actually a pretty good idea, I was tempted to write something about a 25th century show but I thought my post was getting to long anyway, I'm all for exploration and a new crew.


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Report this Jun. 16 2013, 8:41 am

Perhaps an Academy series would work if they structured it like "Lost", with flashbacks in every episode to show the characters' backgrounds. I still think it would be a struggle to make Starfleet Academy stand out from a modern-day college or military academy. Cadets taking notes in lecture halls doesn't really get me excited about the 24th century.

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Report this Jun. 16 2013, 8:42 am

@Chator56
Yeah, I read that article too, still with JJ's interest in making a new series and ST's growing popularity something could be worked out. JJ has a lot of influence these days and if the fans make it clear we need a new series a deal could be struck with CBS. Yeah in hindsight a series predominantly about war wouldn't be trek, still it would be good to expand upon the Romulan war in the novels maybe. I doubt anyone would try and bring back Enterprise to make new seasons leading up to and including the war.


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Report this Jun. 16 2013, 1:42 pm

@Poonel
Yes, like Lost. Characters could have flashbacks of their time at the academy while they explore space, then you could have the exploration of classic ST and the academy flashbacks could give it some DS9 character development. (Of course such flashbacks would exclude the lecture note taking)


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Report this Jun. 16 2013, 4:08 pm

Everyyone here has some interesting ideas. This is a very interesting thread to read.I am very convinced that star trek fans are most creative. Here is another idea for consideration but it may not work pending interest and commitments of previous actors. According to the book series, Voyager is back in the Delta Quadrant with a fleet of ships using slipstream technology. So this time they are not there by accident. One of their missions is, of course to explore more of the Delta quadrant. But they also are there to determine whether or not the Borg still exist (the Borg seemed to have completely disappeared) and if they still propose a threat to Earth and to the United Federation of Planets. It is believed that the Borg have been absorbed by another  unknown alien race (the Caelar?). Voyager also must also determine if this new race poses a threat to the Federation. These books are and few and far in between so plenty of room to create in between stories for a tv series. Thus far in the books, they have not met up either of these aliens but they are finding other alien species  to contend with. 

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 6:07 am

@JoCat
I've heard about that novel series, ST: Voyager Full circle I believe it's called, it's due to the events of ST: Destiny that the Borg are no longer a problem. It would be an interesting series to explore, not just one ship exploring but a whole bunch of them in an exploration fleet, thats never been done before. If the Voyager actors in the novels don't want to do another series they could focus on a new ship in the fleet with a whole new crew, maybe have some Voyager actors make a few appearances. I like this idea, the book-to-TV ideas may have problems when making the books main points but as you said theres a lot of space and time between the book event, plenty of time for new episodes. There's plenty more of the Delta to explore and it would be interesting to see how the Hirogen, Kremin and other powers have changed since the collective dissolved.


Glad you like this threat, this was my first topic post and I was afraid it would go unnoticed or people would see my post and think it's too long. Glad you like it, Trek fans are quite creative aren’t we.


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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 6:40 am

The beta quadrant has been explored, i believe the Klingons for examle are actually from the beta quadant

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 3:11 pm

I've not read the books mentioned but I'd really like a return to the 'prime' universe. I'm not necessarily a traditionalist, but I want the story to go forward, not back or sideways! I like the JJ films well enough - they're another iteration of characters I love - but the most appealing notion to me is to see a new ship with Riker as captain, boldly going with a new crew - perhaps a couple of familiar faces amongst them. 

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 3:23 pm

On a compltely unrelated note, I diden't like how in star trek voyager the borg became way to easy to defeat. If there is a new series I hope the borg some how "upgrade" or something to make the a bigger threat.


 


(I'm a whovian so I just had to say upgrade)


 


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