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Portrayal of Women in Star Trek

crellmoset

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Report this Jun. 13 2013, 3:46 pm

This Kirk is just younger and friskier than the slightly older Kirk from TOS.

Also, isn't it kind if disrespectful to women in general to paint them as being "used" by Kirk? In this future where people have discarded some of the sexual dogma and anxieties that monotheism saddles us with today can't women be free to pursue whatever sexual experiences and activities they want to?

Why does a female having sex have to be a "victim" or object instead of someone who decided for themselves that they want to have fun in this manner?

Ethics are arbitrary.

johnd777

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Report this Jun. 16 2013, 4:54 pm

[quote]2Takes Frakes


STAR TREK does not lead the masses around by the nose.
It does not have a responsibility to show women in any
particular light. For one thing, the target audience for
STAR TREK, or any Sci-Fi is horny, college-aged fanboys.
And they are not going to go out of their way to complain
about the T&A content, or that these chicks should be
role models in any way. The only problem I have with Uhura
and Spock getting it on is that it does emphasize how her
character really IS redundant! ANYONE can answer the phone
on the ENTERPRISE. Her doing makes no odds. So, what else
to do with her, but pair her off. As for Carol Marcus ... she is
predestined to carry, feed and water Kirk's future Space Seed.


[/quote]


 


I have to agree. And to look into the human heart for the problem about women's respect / fair treatment is to overlook the most basic tenet of showbiz selling tickets, and sex sells. You can't find ads about cereal without legs or boobs in it so why single out Star Trek?


Plus I am sure Zoe wants to do more than repeat "This is the starship Enterprise... please respond..."


"This is the starship Enterprise... please respond...


"This is the starship Enterprise... please respond..."


"This is the starship Enterprise... please respond..."


"This is the starship Enterprise... please respond..."


"Oh, wrong number... Enterprise out."


 


 


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2takesfrakes

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Report this Jun. 16 2013, 5:35 pm

There have been MANY women in STAR TREK who
were NOT world leaders or respected scientists,
showed PLENTY of skin, and are VERY important
to TREK LORE:


Vina, Vash, Zarabeth, any of Kirk's women as well,
with the exceptions of Carol Marcus and, maybe, Dr.
Palaski, whom he could not keep his hands off of ...
DESPITE the fact that she did NOT show much skin.


KelisThePoet

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 10:15 am

Quote: johnd777 @ Jun. 16 2013, 4:54 pm

>You can't find ads about cereal without legs or boobs in it so why single out Star Trek?
because I'm a fan of Star Trek, not cereal, so I care about the integrity of the one and not the other


Falor was a prosperous merchant who went on a journey to gain greater awareness: Through storms he crossed the Voroth Sea/ To reach the clouded shores of Raal/ Where old T’Para offered truth./ He traveled through the windswept hills/ And crossed the barren Fire Plains/ To find the silent monks of Kir./ Still unfulfilled, he journeyed home/ Told stories of the lessons learned/ And gained true wisdom by the giving. – Falor’s Journey, “Innocence”

KelisThePoet

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 10:18 am

Quote: crellmoset @ Jun. 13 2013, 3:46 pm

>isn't it kind if disrespectful to women in general to paint them as being "used" by Kirk? In this future where people have discarded some of the sexual dogma and anxieties that monotheism saddles us with today can't women be free to pursue whatever sexual experiences and activities they want to? Why does a female having sex have to be a "victim" or object instead of someone who decided for themselves that they want to have fun in this manner?
Generally, I agree with something like this attitude, and even outside the context of the 23rd century, I think a woman can have a sexual component to her identity without automatically demeaning herself or damaging feminism.  That's one of the reasons I strongly disagree with the idea that Uhura somehow becomes a weaker character by engaging in a relationship with Spock.


However, when Kirk offhands two female officers he's never seen before as they walk by, I have a hard time buying the argument that they are joining in the fun.  Childish leering is childish leering, in any century.


Falor was a prosperous merchant who went on a journey to gain greater awareness: Through storms he crossed the Voroth Sea/ To reach the clouded shores of Raal/ Where old T’Para offered truth./ He traveled through the windswept hills/ And crossed the barren Fire Plains/ To find the silent monks of Kir./ Still unfulfilled, he journeyed home/ Told stories of the lessons learned/ And gained true wisdom by the giving. – Falor’s Journey, “Innocence”

crellmoset

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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 10:30 am

Some people do enjoy even childish leering. It can be very satisfying for the ego if that's the way you think.

Ethics are arbitrary.

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