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Why did the writers go the Trip/T'Pol route instead of the Archer/TPol?

jibril

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Report this Jun. 12 2013, 1:48 am

When I was watching the first 2 seasons of Enterprise and the beginning of the 3rd, I thought there was a strong Archer/TPol romance dynamic and basically a very minimum dynamic (even nonromantic) for Trip/TPol.  IIRC, this strong Archer/TPol romance dynamic comes a late as episode 308 in the memento ripoff Twilight and in season 2, 205 was all about Archer's attraction to TPol.  And a bunch of moments here and there.


Considering that events and perhaps a generally accepted commander/subordinate fraternization rule could conspire to keep them apart the entire series, it would have been the classical TV setup for unconsummated love until perhaps the end of the series.  Add to that the Captain's well-known dislike for the Vulcans in general, it was and could have been a good recipe - basically fulfilling a Kirk/Spock romance minus the slash.


Instead, they started building up Trip/TPol during the Xindi arc with the Neuro sleep therapy stuff and it came to a head in Harbinger and just kinda fizzled out after that (they didn't really speak of the encounter afterward).  Of course the psychic bond came later in ep4, but it seemed after the writers shot that load, it was hard for them to continue a real storyline about it.


 


The other problem for me was to make it happen, they gave TPol overt emotions like almost a schoolgirl jealousy and basically turned her into a human.  From what I recall of the other series, it's pretty rare to explore Vulcan sexuality outside of Pon Farr and here we get the old "in the end, just like us" treatment.  I'm also not a big fan of the opposites attract trope that I've seen way too often but that's another discussion.


 


Any opinions?

DS9_FOREVER!

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Report this Jun. 12 2013, 10:35 am

the Captain can't be bonking the 1st officer...


 


Next?


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Mitchz95

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Report this Jun. 12 2013, 3:11 pm

I never saw any chemistry between Archer and T'Pol, personally. They were close friends by the end, but I think anything more than that would have seemed too forced. I think the Trip/T'Pol pairing worked pretty well.


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jibril

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Report this Jun. 12 2013, 5:13 pm

"the Captain can't be bonking the 1st officer...


 


Next?"


Well, we've seen romances between the Captain and subordinates before, kinda like Picard and Lt. Com. Daren.  And romance between commanding officers (not just the commander) is also seen as problematic in the military...


So I don't see how your comments supports anything but an unconsummated love rather than the realized one that occured.

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Report this Jun. 12 2013, 6:03 pm

Archer/T'Pol would've been awkward. Bakula and Blalock didn't have much chemistry, and the pseudo-romantic situations they'd throw them into in the first two seasons were super-forced. I'm not a fan of Trip/T'Pol as a romance  either, though, even though I liked watching the two characters interact with each other overall.

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Report this Jun. 13 2013, 10:08 am

Funny I was actually thinking about this yesterday.


I think, first of all, that since Archer is the captain, he can't be doing anything with his first officer. I think the producers figured this out, but they stillwanted T'Pol to be with someone, so they picked Trip. it was a little far fetched at first (Trip and T'Pol) but they made it a little better later on. 


Besides, I didnt really see much with Archer and T'Pol

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Report this Jun. 13 2013, 12:23 pm

T'Pol, Trip, Shran, and Phlox were the only characters I liked on that show, and the T'Pol/Trip romance was one of the only storylines I liked.


Archer and T'Pol had a nice work relationship, but there was no romantic chemistry there.

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Report this Jun. 14 2013, 7:02 am

Cause the producers told them trip/t'pol turned on viewers more.

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Report this Jun. 15 2013, 5:03 am

Quote: jibril @ Jun. 12 2013, 5:13 pm

>

>"the Captain can't be bonking the 1st officer...

>Next?"

>Well, we've seen romances between the Captain and subordinates before, kinda like Picard and Lt. Com. Daren.  And romance between commanding officers (not just the commander) is also seen as problematic in the military...

>So I don't see how your comments supports anything but an unconsummated love rather than the realized one that occured.

>


What?


I mean't exactly what I said.


I thought A/T's relationship as written was perfect.


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Report this Jun. 17 2013, 4:39 pm

Archer's distrust of Vulcans was palpable during the firs season, and some into the second. That could've created an interesting tension between them, but ultimately, Archer was too much of a boy scout to break ranks. Trip's character is a little more open minded, which is why I believe the writer's took it in that direction. 


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Report this Jun. 23 2013, 7:31 pm

I think that most of the writers wanted to avoid being obvious.  Sussman did have in his head that Archer and T'Pol would eventually get together, but I guess he got voted down.  For my money, the Trip/T'Pol relationship was much more interesting and far less predictable.  And ultimately much more frustrating, yet at the same time much more satisfying.  Besides, I think Archer could have been seen as exploitative as he had the greater power in the relationship.  The Trip/T'Pol dynamic was much more equal, and ultimately tipped in favour of the female, which for women viewers was a refreshing change.

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Report this Jun. 24 2013, 10:12 am

I felt that the way Jolene played the T'Pol character, she seemed more taken with Archer. She seemed to respect him more than Tripp, with whom she was always bickering. However, her Vulcan repression combined with Archer's aloofness, hatred of Vulcans and professionalism (not getting involved with subordinates) made a hook-up impossible. Tripp was a more realistic, practical choice though her Vulcan nature should have prevented that as well. It seems like Phlox engineered the whole thing, perhaps he was hoping he could watch.  

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Report this Jun. 25 2013, 1:08 am

I agree that T'Pol most likely was carrying a torch for Archer, and that was why she kept Trip at arms length.  Remember in the episode where she met her much older self (E2) she said "What if the heart doesn't know what it wants?"  This spoke of a woman who's struggling with conflicting desires, on the one hand Trip is there ready and waiting, and very endearing as well as sexually stimulating, while on the other hand, Archer, aloof and apparently immune to T'Pol and her physical appeal, but so very, very wonderful.  Who wouldn't be conflicted?  It made the whole thing much more interesting when you didn't know how it would all pan out, which the producers were clearly hoping would mean keeping the viewers interested.  However, the network was not interested, and the whole thing had to be left up in the air.  Still, it was a great device for stimulating interest while not giving into the trite and obvious.


And yes, the way they wrote Phlox's involvement in getting T'Pol and Trip together did make him seem a bit of a letch.

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Report this Jun. 25 2013, 6:10 am

Amazed at how many posters to this thread are saying they never saw any chemistry between Archer and T'Pol. Jbril, are you forgetting "Azati Prime"? What about "Shadows of P'Jem" guys? Or "A Night in Sickbay"? These episodes definately demonstrate some interest going both ways.

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Report this Jun. 25 2013, 8:45 am

There definitly a "Archer/T'Pol" releationship. Trust, dedication, loyaly, friendship.


They didn't need to jump in the sack to have a "relationship".


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