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Re watched "Nemesis"...even worst then ever.

AtoZ2

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Report this Jun. 07 2013, 8:08 am

What a hideous mistake,



nuff said.


chator56

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Report this Jun. 07 2013, 8:39 am

It's actually not enough said. You just stated an opinion, but gave nothing to back it up. I wrote a long post indicating all of the problems I had with Star Trek (2009). If you're going to give an opinion, you should back it up.

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Report this Jun. 07 2013, 8:51 am

Quote: chator56 @ Jun. 07 2013, 8:39 am

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>It's actually not enough said. You just stated an opinion, but gave nothing to back it up. I wrote a long post indicating all of the problems I had with Star Trek (2009). If you're going to give an opinion, you should back it up.

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I see no need or point in writing a 10 paragraph back up when a few simple words state exsactly what I mean.


You already understood it, so indeed it IS nuff said.



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OneDamnMinuteAdmiral

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Report this Jun. 07 2013, 10:15 am

I rewatched it myself when I marathoned all the movies leading up to Into Darkness. And although it did need a lot of work storywise I found that it didn't bug me as much as when it came out. I guess mainly because there really is nothing to be done about it. I thought all the TNG movies got too bogged down in "what's going on with Picard and Data", and Nemesis handled that question most poorly.


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Report this Jun. 07 2013, 10:46 am

Unfortunately the plot is occasionally convienent and contrived, Hardy gave a terrible performance and some of the best scenes were not included in the final cut - the weakest of the TNG films, yes, but I still think Nemesis is a good film. It's well photographed, has some good action scenes and the cast is as brilliant as ever; Data's graceful, intense send off is moving every time.


It's way behind in the pack but, for my money, it's an enjoyable film overall.


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Report this Jun. 07 2013, 1:03 pm

I don't hate it. The story is crummy, but it has lots of great character moments, and is the most cinematic of the TNG movies. Data's death, while tacked on and a lame attempt to mimic Wrath of Khan, is still very sad (unlike Trip's death in TATV and Kirk's "death" in Into Darkness, which don't make me feel anything at all). The whole thing just has a lot of weight behind it, because it's the last go around for the TNG crew I love so much. It's my no. 2 TNG movie (a very distant second) and I prefer it to TMP, The Final Frontier, and JJ's movies.

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Report this Jun. 07 2013, 2:00 pm

Nemesis isnt that bad, and definitely not the worst, go watch Insurrection again to remind yourself.

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Report this Aug. 11 2013, 9:13 pm

It seems evident to me whom ever wrote the TNG movies never really took the time to watched the show which seems very evident when you watch them, especially when it comes to Data and Picard and Nemesis is the worst offeneder! Such a cartoonish interpetation of the charactors themselves! What really pissed me off was how most of this move was just recycled from Wrath of Kahn!


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Report this Aug. 12 2013, 12:50 am

Star Trek Nemesis is not as bad as Star Trek 2009 Into Darkness and The Final Frontier

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Report this Aug. 12 2013, 2:18 am

As an aside ...
I was always confused as to whether, or not,
Riker and Troi's wedding was actually in Alaska,
or if that was supposed to be the Holodeck? It looks
so much like a set on a Hollywood soundstage ...

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Report this Aug. 16 2013, 8:41 am

Quote: OneDamnMinuteAdmiral @ Jun. 07 2013, 10:15 am

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>I rewatched it myself when I marathoned all the movies leading up to Into Darkness. And although it did need a lot of work storywise I found that it didn't bug me as much as when it came out. I guess mainly because there really is nothing to be done about it. I thought all the TNG movies got too bogged down in "what's going on with Picard and Data", and Nemesis handled that question most poorly.

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I think I know why NEM doesn't bug you as much.  It's time.  At the time you saw it, you had big expectations, but you walked out of the theater dissapointed that the film wasn't what or all that you hoped for.  After awhile that sense of immediacy goes away.  When you watch it again, you already know what's going to happen, so you can just take it for what it is, the good and the bad.  At least, that's the way it is for me.


I understand why a lot of people hate NEM.  I don't think it's a good film at all, but I'll take it over INS, which I hate.  I really think INS was the TFF of the TNG films.  It didn't perform well at the box office at all, that's why it took 4 years for NEM to get made.  NEM had to be great, like TUC was after TFF, to get the franchise (at least the film franchise) back on course, and it just wasn't.  I don't think it deserves to have a lower tomatometer rating (rottentomatoes.com) than INS.  I think NEM is an ok movie, on par with TMP, flawed, but not unwatchable.  All its problems are somewhat redeemed by a couple of good action set pieces in the film. 


It's definitely in the lower half of the film franchise though.  It's not one of the great to good films, TWOK, TSFS, TVH, TUC, FC, ST09, and STID.  All those are above 75% fresh on rottentomatoes.com. 


 

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Report this Aug. 17 2013, 11:22 am

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Aug. 12 2013, 2:18 am

>As an aside ... I was always confused as to whether, or not, Riker and Troi's wedding was actually in Alaska, or if that was supposed to be the Holodeck? It looks so much like a set on a Hollywood soundstage ...
Holodeck - unless there's a big break in time between that scene and the next where the Enterprise is near the Romulan Neutral Zone.... they weren't anywhere near Earth.

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Report this Aug. 19 2013, 5:19 am

Thank you, sir. The one thing that I really
HATED about Nemesis, though, was how
clumsy the story's plot was, and how lazy,
having BOTH Picard AND Data finding their
long-lost TWINS ... in the SAME movie!!!


The laziness being underderscored by how
B4 remembers nothing. And Shinzon knows
nothing - he simply "found" B4 ... yet, he
instinctively "knew" that it was, " the bait
[Picard] couldn't refuse." Uh. Yeah. OK.

Go teach High School English and get out of
my beloved franchise, John Logan! You suck!!!


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Report this Aug. 27 2013, 5:54 pm

I just watched this, again,
mostly for background noise.


I noticed another thing that
I really can't stand ... the
Quantum Torpedo effect. They
just sort of SPLAT, don't they?


Photon torpedoes might be too
"pretty," especially in the TOS
movies, but at least they packed
a considerable PUNCH!!!


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