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Report this Jun. 04 2013, 8:52 am

JJ listened, the writers not so much


Seems one need qualify themselves here so here I go. I'm a 40+ year Trek fan that fell in love with the series watching reruns on our black & white TV. I've since purchased and watched everything Trek, been on multiple message boards discussing everything Trek again and again and I have worshiped at the altar of Gene Roddenberry (Vegas Star Trek Con). "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" (TWoK) has always been my favorite movie. I know my Trek as well as if not better than most.

This is a difficult one, many highs and lows. I'll start with the cast. Once again this is the highlight of our new 'Trek'. Chris Pine gives his best acting performance ever. All of the actors understand their characters and work amazingly well with one another. The only question mark I might have is Alice Eve, and she hasn't been given enough yet to make a sound judgment. I do have some issues with how a couple of these characters are being written, but that's not the actors fault. Cumberbatch not being a "man of color" is not a problem. He played the part brilliantly. Kirks development in 2 short movies is outstanding. Peter Weller (John Frederick Paxton not Robo-Cop) is also outstanding. While I understand the need for Pike to die to aid in the development of Kirk, I'm sad to see him go. Bruce Greenwood's Pike was truly outstanding.

The plot: I've read probably 100 reviews here and at Rotten Tomatoes. It's obvious to me that folks don't understand the plot (or don't want to). This is probably a result of the fast pace "shoot'em up" theme in the movie (which most seem to dislike). I had to see it twice to follow it, but it is there and it's strong. Only in a JJ Trek movie does the plot get criticized because it aptly addresses current political issues. In all other Trek, those episodes and movies are considered 'Trek at its finest.' The hypocrisy I read from fellow Trekkies here is disheartening. Look past all the 'window dressing' you don't like and listen to the plot. It speaks loudly concerning current drone policy, GTMO detainees, 9/11, family, the "War on Terror" and gives us things to contemplate which is very Trek.

Now this Trekkie noticed lots to be upset about in this movie, but the plot shouldn't be one of them. The resurrection of a classic Trek character, Khan's reveal, after masquerading as John Harrison about 2/3'rds of the way through the movie, was meaningless to those unfamiliar with "Space Seed" and TWoK and didn't do anything for the Trekkies either - aside from getting under their skin. But OK, Khan's awakening does follow Trek canon and I'm OK with using him (now). What REALLY fires up this Trekkie was the complete lack of original thinking (writing) and using a rip- off-reversal of one of Trek's classic, revered and most iconic moments (Spock's death in TWoK). They actually thought Kirk entering the warp core, dying and saving the Enterprise and her crew was good writing… e- gads… oh, they also thought having Spock "loose it" and scream "KHAAAAN!" like Kirk did in TWoK was somehow in character for Spock (in either timeline). nuSpock didn't act like this when his planet was destroyed AND he lost his mother. Whatever made them think that losing his "friend" who he's known for about a year and who he's been at odds with for about half that time would provoke such a un-Vulcan response. Double "e-gads". All Harrison needed to be was an augment.

Some technical Trekkie stuff that makes one slap their forehead you ask? How about Kirk speaking to Scotty in a bar light-years away from Enterprise on his communicator… or Harri-Khan's briefcase sized trans- warp thingy… or rocket thrusters on the bottom of 1701… or the SSN-1701… or no radiation suit in engineering… or why not give Kirk some anti- radiation meds after the interior door was shut… or cold fusion stopping a frakin volcano? There, now you know I'm a Trekkie. (This nit-picking has been done to every single Trek movie and episode BTW. It's a labor of love) JJ did listen to the fans. He reduced the shaky cams, lens- flares and we now have a warp core that looks like something from the future rather than a beer distillery. (Thank you.) The problem is the writers didn't listen or just don't get it. They played the standard reboot theme of taking literary license with past production to the point of "WTF". Spock is still Spock. Nero's incursion shouldn't change that. Uhura shouldn't change that. (Oh, if it's not painfully obvious now, the Spock/Uhura thing needs to stop.) I understand the need to give Uhura more, but please don't do it at the expense of McCoy. He's too important here. Star Trek isn't Batman, or The Hulk, or Star Wars. It's not a place to "play". Star Trek has always been more than those. I hope the writers for the next installment take that to heart a little more than they've shown in the first two. The crew is assembled. They've been through hell a couple times. Let's use our imagination and create something fresh and new, something we can dream about, something positive. Pop-corn block-buster with lots of action - sure. But it also has to be a "Star Trek" movie. Make it "Trek" and you will be heralded. I want to take my kids to the next movie and I want them to learn something about life without seeing someone squeeze someone's head until it bursts.

How do I rate this visually epic, beautifully scored, Trek challenged movie? 7 of 10 I think. Trek is at home on TV, so this Trekkie will demonstrate some IDIC here and welcome this movie into the community.

I highly recommend "Star Trek Into Darkness". 9/10 had they not defined plagiarism with the ending.


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Report this Jun. 04 2013, 10:22 am

great review. 


 


I don't think you got it right about the Khaaaan thing though.  There has always been a theme in alternate universe trek that the same people end up together and that certain events are destined to happen even if slightly altered.  You put kirk, spock and khan together long enough and someone is going to die of radiation.   I have to admit I didn't like the khaaan scream.  It took me out of the movie and I thought it was corny.  But it does fit with Spock's development.  He witnessed the death of his planet and the emotions of billions of people and tried to shut down that part of his mind.  He didn't react to his own near death with any emotion or Pike's.  His yell had more to do with his realization that grief was necessary than anything else.  Even if this wasn't true I don't think the fact that he'd known Kirk for "only a year" would mean he couldn't mourn him.  They didn't know each other they served together.  Sometimes in battle.  Those are bonds that go beyond sharing office space with someone. 


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Report this Jun. 04 2013, 5:37 pm

Quote: wissa @ Jun. 04 2013, 10:22 am

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>great review. 

>I don't think you got it right about the Khaaaan thing though.  There has always been a theme in alternate universe trek that the same people end up together and that certain events are destined to happen even if slightly altered.  You put kirk, spock and khan together long enough and someone is going to die of radiation.   I have to admit I didn't like the khaaan scream.  It took me out of the movie and I thought it was corny.  But it does fit with Spock's development.  He witnessed the death of his planet and the emotions of billions of people and tried to shut down that part of his mind.  He didn't react to his own near death with any emotion or Pike's.  His yell had more to do with his realization that grief was necessary than anything else.  Even if this wasn't true I don't think the fact that he'd known Kirk for "only a year" would mean he couldn't mourn him.  They didn't know each other they served together.  Sometimes in battle.  Those are bonds that go beyond sharing office space with someone. 

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Thanks wissa.


My view on Spock's development.


Like I said, Spock is Spock. No change in his youth, etc. I can understand the monumental loss he suffered in the 1st movie, but he did have a year or so to do what he needed to do. He attended Sar Fleet Acadamy and had risen to the rank of Commander. It's illogical to think he, under the counsel of his father & Spock prime, he wouldn't have grieved.


I could more easily understand if Kirk had that sort of reaction, because of the Spock(prime) mind meld with him.


Spock would not react in such a manner. He would suppress those emotions.


No problem with him going after Khan, but to cry and scream like that is just not Spock, in either universe.


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Report this Jun. 04 2013, 7:27 pm

Do you not remember the conversation Spock had with Kirk and Uhura about supressing all emotion at his own iminent death?


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Report this Jun. 04 2013, 10:53 pm

While I had a tough time with that part, I also took it to be part of the mind meld with Pike coming back to the surface, the fear, the pain and confusion and Spock had no way to comfort him.


But, overall, good review and while I will quibble on some points, I'll not begrudge the scoring.

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Report this Jun. 05 2013, 5:08 am

Quote: wissa @ Jun. 04 2013, 7:27 pm

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>Do you not remember the conversation Spock had with Kirk and Uhura about supressing all emotion at his own iminent death?

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Yup. That's pretty Vulcan and to be expected. Don't see how that applies here.


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Report this Jun. 05 2013, 9:12 am

Good review. I agree, all we heard is where are getting a clean slate only to rehash a storyline which didn't need rehashing.


I have seen this 3 times now and the only parts that I don't care for are the blatant TWOK scenes.


Oh and Cumberbatch being so melodramatic with saying his real name, that was strictly for the audience and by the time he says it anyone who knows the clues would already know who he was and those who don't wouldn't be affected by the way he says it because they wouldn't know who he is anyway. I think I'm going to introduce myself to people in that way.


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Report this Jun. 05 2013, 1:17 pm


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