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bunkey

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Report this May. 28 2013, 2:42 pm

If cold fusion can be a method to stop a volcano, they can figure out a way for Spock to correct the timeline.

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Report this May. 28 2013, 2:54 pm

Quote: bunkey @ May. 28 2013, 2:42 pm

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>If cold fusion can be a method to stop a volcano, they can figure out a way for Spock to correct the timeline.

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figuring it out really isint the problem with the right imagination.


but again, I dont see Spock Prime taking that action.It would meen he has to decide which universe has the right to continue.


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bunkey

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Report this May. 28 2013, 3:15 pm

It's not a matter of "rights" it's a matter of correcting interference. This is not a mirror universe.  He should have fixed the timeline the minute he got off that iceplanet.

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Report this May. 28 2013, 3:38 pm

Quote: bunkey @ May. 28 2013, 3:15 pm

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>It's not a matter of "rights" it's a matter of correcting interference. This is not a mirror universe.  He should have fixed the timeline the minute he got off that iceplanet.

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it is a matter of rights.


by the time he had the chance to fix anything 20+ years had already passed with different births/deaths, different events.....


what right would any one man have to say which universe had the right to continue, not to mentrion that correcting the interferance vmay not have been possible.


as mentioned before, stopping Neros ship wouldnt have been easy, no less it would need to be done before the Kelvin arrived. Which considering they arrived aqt the moment Nero did would be impossible.'


The Kelvin would have then witness the destruction of Neros ship..................again altering history.


Bottom line, trying to fix things that late in the game would go against Spocks beliefs, as stated in TUC.


He al so did not have the resourccess to attempt such a mission with any hope of sucsses.


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bunkey

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Report this May. 28 2013, 3:42 pm

But what about people who died that shouldn't have? Or will die because of the timeline? 


Spock was obligated to fix the mistake he created.

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Report this May. 28 2013, 4:18 pm

Quote: bunkey @ May. 28 2013, 3:42 pm

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>But what about people who died that shouldn't have? Or will die because of the timeline? 

>Spock was obligated to fix the mistake he created.

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and what about new people that have been born in this new universe???/or will be born????


The new events that have happened?, the direction of the lives of those people???


Spock didnt really create this problem.


again, fixing it, if its possible, would meen he has to decided which timeline has a greater right to continue.


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Kilrahi

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Report this May. 28 2013, 5:02 pm

By your logic you can never save anyone, because for all you know saving them kills someone else.


That's a pretty warped version of ethics, and it's one I can easily say no to. 

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Report this May. 28 2013, 5:28 pm

sorry, but I cant even see how you can logically stretch what I said to fit that.


fact is, to save vulcn he has to sacrafice every life in he altered timeline.


yes, Vulcan is now lost.............but how many does he put at risk by trying to "fix" things?


How many does he condem to death/non-exsistence by trying to fix things?


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Report this May. 28 2013, 5:29 pm

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By your logic you can never save anyone, because for all you know saving them kills someone else. That's a pretty warped version of ethics, and it's one I can easily say no to.
 


That's a very good point.


 


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this May. 28 2013, 6:15 pm

Quote: bunkey @ May. 28 2013, 5:29 pm

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>By your logic you can never save anyone, because for all you know saving them kills someone else. That's a pretty warped version of ethics, and it's one I can easily say no to.
 

That's a very good point.



again I ask HOW.....how you can logically stretch what I said to fit that?


fact: to save vulcn he has to sacrafice every life in the altered timeline.
 
How many does he condem to death/non-exsistence by trying to fix things?..................when theres no guarntee he will succeed???

 


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douglas.schultz.54

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Report this May. 28 2013, 6:41 pm

I'm watching TNG 'Yesterday's Enrterprise' as I type this.  Approximately the same amount of time passed, 22 years.   Picard decided to sent Enterprise C back.  He had the same arguement with Guinan that we all are debating now.  Watch this episode again!

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Report this May. 28 2013, 6:57 pm

I'm not stretching anything.  You are talking about "altered lives" THAT HAVEN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET vs. 6 billion lives THAT DID JUST IN FACT DIE. 


It is not a difficult question.  Anyone who is asked, "You can save the 6 billion lives that were just snuffed out by a future meddling genocidal madman and risk changing the future or let them die" AND chooses to let them die is what is commonly called a sick heartless bastard.


It's not a tough moral paradox.  It wouldn't even register in the philosophy books.  I'm shocked you can type all of that with a straight face.

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Report this May. 28 2013, 7:10 pm

Quote: Kilrahi @ May. 28 2013, 6:57 pm

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>I'm not stretching anything.  You are talking about "altered lives" THAT HAVEN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET vs. 6 billion lives THAT DID JUST IN FACT DIE.


Sorry but your wrong.You not seeing the whole picture.In 22 years its concieveable that far more then 6 billion lives were effect by the fall out of Neros actions when he first arrived.How many lives were created because of those events.How much other history was altered.


'People here like gto think that only a few ;ives were altered, when the evidence shows thew effects were much more wide spread then just changfing Kirks childhood.I'm talking about the countless lives that have already been born or changed after Nero first arrived.Theres 22 years of history, libes born, lives endede, lives effected.


"It is a very difficult question...to ask someone to play God..  Anyone who is asked, "You can save the 6 billion lives on 1 world................at the risk of effecting 60 million lives on several worlds in 2 quadrents??"


How is it not a tough moral paradox?


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this May. 28 2013, 7:14 pm

Quote: douglas.schultz.54 @ May. 28 2013, 6:41 pm

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>I'm watching TNG 'Yesterday's Enrterprise' as I type this.  Approximately the same amount of time passed, 22 years.   Picard decided to sent Enterprise C back.  He had the same arguement with Guinan that we all are debating now.  Watch this episode again!

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actully the situation is different.Because the change in time happened because of time travel to the FUTURE, not the past.


So, from Guinans point of view, only minutes have bassed since history was changed.


In Spocks case, 22 years passed after Nero made changes, he then made more changes.


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Kilrahi

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Report this May. 28 2013, 7:22 pm

No, man, I'm sorry.  I really don't know how to say this but in some cases you just have to.


I don't know where the struggle is, but your position is just straight up immoral.

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