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Red Letter Media Review of Into Darkness

bunkey

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Report this May. 29 2013, 3:25 pm

*rimshot*


 


fireproof78

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Report this May. 29 2013, 7:18 pm

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>Easy to miss a key point, making the rest of the story seem hodge podge.

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I agree with this point very well. The same thing happened in Trek 09, which I maintain has a more complex story than is recognized.


It makes me sad that the movie gets filed under "mindless action flick" and that's it. There is so much more there.


Edit: It should be noted that Red Letter Media liked Trek 09

chator56

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Report this May. 30 2013, 4:46 am

fireproof78,


To its credit Star Trek (2009) is more sci-fi than STID, although it is bad sci-fi and bad Star Trek. The only sci-fi in STID is the setting, which is pretty sad for a Star Trek film.  

fireproof78

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Report this May. 30 2013, 9:22 am

I mean this with sincerity when I ask this question but how is Trek 09 bad scifi and bad Trek?


The whole idea is to take Trek a new direction in terms of character and world development.

fireproof78

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Report this May. 30 2013, 9:25 am

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>Their conclusions being "wrong" or not is a matter of opinion.  I agree with every one of their opinions, so they are "right" in my opinion.

>And you stated "I think these guys got hung up on the bells and whistles rather than the plot." to which I pointed out they focused thoroughly on the plot.

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But there interpretation of the plot is wrong.

It's obviously too complex for some.


I'm with you here. I think that if it is shiny and full of explosions in modern cinema, then there is the expectation that the plot is subpar. This is not a slight against ANYONE here-this is the general attitude of the movie going aduience, and Hollywood insiders.


In my opinion, a movie can have shiny explosions and have a decent plot. The two are not mutually exclusive.


Your mileage will vary though

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Report this May. 30 2013, 9:46 am

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>Their conclusions being "wrong" or not is a matter of opinion.  I agree with every one of their opinions, so they are "right" in my opinion.

>And you stated "I think these guys got hung up on the bells and whistles rather than the plot." to which I pointed out they focused thoroughly on the plot.

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But there interpretation of the plot is wrong.

It's obviously too complex for some.


you mean "their" interpretation of the plot is wrong...you also forgot to add "in my opinion"


an interpretation can't be wrong, it's subjective.


and there's no need to insult them because you disagree with them

willowtree

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Report this May. 30 2013, 9:51 am

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>Easy to miss a key point, making the rest of the story seem hodge podge.

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it's also easy to follow the story perfectly and think that it makes no sense and not like it

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Report this May. 30 2013, 9:52 am

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>Which you obviously have...

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or they just didn't like it

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Report this May. 30 2013, 9:55 am

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>I mean this with sincerity when I ask this question but how is Trek 09 bad scifi and bad Trek?

>The whole idea is to take Trek a new direction in terms of character and world development.

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I also mean this with complete sincerity. If the point is to take Trek in a new direction, why rehash villians and plot points?

fireproof78

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Report this May. 30 2013, 8:43 pm

Quote: willowtree @ May. 30 2013, 9:55 am

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>I mean this with sincerity when I ask this question but how is Trek 09 bad scifi and bad Trek?

>The whole idea is to take Trek a new direction in terms of character and world development.

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I also mean this with complete sincerity. If the point is to take Trek in a new direction, why rehash villians and plot points?


Why not? One of the things I have personally enjoyed is the IDW comic series exploring some TOS plots but with the new crew. Not just the prequel to "Into Darkness" but different series, exploring "Trouble with Tribbles," "Return of the Archons," and "Where No Man Has Gone Before." Some are good and some are bad, but they give a great spin on the stories.


Again, Abrams got chewed up by fans for too many changes. I think he was going for familiar territory and got burned there too. Plus, he tried to comment on modern issues which may not have meshed well with the character.


I think it can, but again, your mileage may vary.

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Report this Jun. 01 2013, 7:53 am

I was disapointed the went with Khan rather than a new direction, but having said that I think they did it well.  And the same people ending up in the same spots is a constant theme in alternative time lines in trek.  This is no different


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bunkey

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Report this Jun. 01 2013, 4:37 pm

Mr. Plinkett strikes again!


 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeyLm-pLVm4


 


darmokattanagra

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Report this Jun. 02 2013, 9:04 pm

It should be noted that Red Letter Media liked Trek 09

They liked it after adopting the "Star Wars mindset" but pointed out several times that it was nostalgia exploitation for the dumb masses and ultimately concluded that if Star Trek kept going down this road that it would just need to be rebooted again in a few years.

fireproof78

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Report this Jun. 03 2013, 11:21 am

I'll have to rewatch the review again because I don't recall them adopting that attiude. But, given their scathing review of the Star Wars prequels, the fact that they liked anything surprised me


RLM is one of those places that I take with a grain of salt and lately, have not been impressed with their reviews (and no, not just because they didn't like Into Darkness).


 


Actually, I think Trek needs a reboot every couple of years anyway. There is a cultural relevance that is lost if the same forumla is held on to for years and years. TNG and VOY suffered from this syndrome, and DS9 struggled to find their footing. I personally passed over DS9 for years simply because I found the station setting to be odd after the starships of TOS and TNG. Now, being older, I find DS9 more enjoyable, though a bit removed from GR's original vision. But, the war theme brought more of a cultural relevance than VOY had in its episodes.


Similarly, Trek became known for cultural commentary, something ENT lacked, and thus, i think Trek always needs a reboot to maintain cultural relevance.


Of course, I have argued that Abrams is commenting but towards issues that people either don't care for or miss the point.

darmokattanagra

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Report this Jun. 04 2013, 12:21 pm

I suggest watching or rewatching Enterprise while you're at it. The show had plenty of cultural commentary. For example, the issues of terrorism and "becoming the enemy" were explored in the Xindi arc. And as "Plinkett" pointed out in the clip bunkey posted, the issue of xenophobia was explored (also with Peter Weller) in the Terra Prime arc.

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