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Red Letter Media Review of Into Darkness

darmokattanagra

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Report this May. 24 2013, 11:38 am

bunkey

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Report this May. 24 2013, 12:41 pm


 


 


Of all the things they said, "Aren't you interested in creating your own iconic moments?" resonantes loudest.


And I really want to buy these guys drinks.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 1:58 pm

SPOILER ALERT!


The movie is basically about Kirk's maturation from boy to man, from irresponsible Starfleet cadet prematurely made Captain to someone whose earned the right to sit in the chair due to self-sacrifice for his crew. The film is supposed to be a character arc for Kirk, but at the same time an action adventure movie. That's why the film starts out showing Kirk as an irresponsible Captain, that's why he gets dropped back to Cadet, that's why Pike dies, that's why he goes after Khan but decides not to kill him and instead capture him, that's why he aligns with Khan to stop Marcus, that's why he sacrifices himself for the crew at the end. The film is superficially like TWOK except Kirk wants revenge on Khan instead of the other way around, and Kirk sacrifices himself for the crew instead of Spock. These reversals work because the film is about Kirk. Unfortunately, Khan turns out to be a more interesting character than Kirk in this film, and Cumberpatch's performance steals the limelight away from Pine. Watching the film, I was more interested in Khan's motivation vs Kirk's maturation, and in seeing how Khan was going to be stopped. In what turns out to be a major mistake, Abrams has Spock's braun stop Khan instead of Kirk's cunning. I wasn't moved by Kirk's death scene. The film fails.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 5:03 pm

SPOILER ALERT!


To elaborate, the film fails especially in Kirk's death scene because Kirk lacks the humility and humanity to make his self-sacrifice believable. Not becoming a mass murderer of Klingons to kill a suspected terrorist is not an example of humanism. Kirk is motivated by fear and guilt, not humility and humanity in his decision to not fire on the Klingons, and in offering his life for that of his crew. That's why his death isn't moving. Fail! Spock's death in TWOK is moving because although he claims to be sacrificing himself due to logic, we suspect it is his human side that is expressing itself, though Spock isn't willing to admit to it.  

darmokattanagra

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Report this May. 24 2013, 7:11 pm

Of all the things they said, "Aren't you interested in creating your own iconic moments?" resonantes loudest.


Yeah, some of the best criticisms came from Jay who is not a "fan of Star Trek" but a "fan of movies."

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Report this May. 24 2013, 9:37 pm

I kind of liked the movie until I saw this review. *LOL*

These guys really broke everything down.

I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night.

bunkey

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Report this May. 25 2013, 6:59 am

They even pointed out something that I didn't notice which was the whole Prime Directive thing. I was so distracted by the jamming of "The needs of the many..." into the script that I failed to realize that they shouldn't have been trying to stop the volcano in the first place.

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Report this May. 25 2013, 8:31 am

I never thought I'd live to see the day when a Star Trek movie is called a dumb action movie.

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Report this May. 25 2013, 11:14 am

Quote: bunkey @ May. 25 2013, 6:59 am

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>They even pointed out something that I didn't notice which was the whole Prime Directive thing. I was so distracted by the jamming of "The needs of the many..." into the script that I failed to realize that they shouldn't have been trying to stop the volcano in the first place.

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And on top of that, with a "cold fusion" bomb which, as they pointed out, creates heat. *LOL*


I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night.

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Report this May. 25 2013, 3:03 pm

Quote: chator56 @ May. 25 2013, 8:31 am

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>I never thought I'd live to see the day when a Star Trek movie is called a dumb action movie.

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incredible isn't it? normally they are called dull, boring, poorly acted mellow dramas...where did we go wroong????

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Report this May. 26 2013, 2:32 am

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I never thought I'd live to see the day when a Star Trek movie is called a dumb action movie.


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incredible isn't it? normally they are called dull, boring, poorly acted mellow dramas...where did we go wroong????[/quote]


 


Wishful thinking.


What other people think of you is none of your business.

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Report this May. 26 2013, 6:51 am


 


I think these guys got hung up on the bells and whistles rather than the plot. I did that too on my first viewing. There is a plot there and it is more complicated and deep than the fast paced shoot'em up pace allows to reveal. I think the problem with this movie is they tried too much to fit trek lore into it rather than let the plot speak for itself. Watch it again guys, it's not as bad as you review. I enjoyed it much more the second time.


I just found this great Star Trek MB!!  photo ac1685424929087bf1b7e7e0d734f861.jpg

bunkey

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Report this May. 27 2013, 7:15 am

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I think these guys got hung up on the bells and whistles rather than the plot.


The majority of the discussion was the terrible writing and how the entire movie seemed to be written around forcing iconic scenes.  That is "the plot"

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Report this May. 27 2013, 8:10 am

Wasn't there just one ode to an iconic scene? 


It involved a death and a starship about to explode.  That's just about every Star Trek event ever.  You hardly have to force a plot around it.

bunkey

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Report this May. 27 2013, 8:31 am

They crammed so much fan wank. "The needs of the many..." that whole scene was wrapped around forcing that one line.  That's just off the top of my head.


Not to mention invoking the Millenium Falcon.  Among other things

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