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Lindelof Tweets Apology to Fans Regarding Alice Eve's Underwear Scene

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EbonyCHAOS

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Report this May. 21 2013, 4:23 pm

Apparently there were some fans that were upset about Alice Eve stripping down to her skivvies



 


"I copped to the fact that we should have done a better job of not being gratuitous in our representation of a barely clothed actress."


via Lindelof's Twitter


 



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Report this May. 21 2013, 4:50 pm

Well yeah, of course it was gratuitous. But then again, Gene always loved having scantily clad women on his shows for no reason, so that's probably one of the aspects of the reboot that's most faithful to "Gene's Vision". Not to mention "Bound" and all those decon scenes on Enterprise. Or the scene in my av. right now....... So yeah, it's kind of dumb, but not really anything new or different.

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Report this May. 21 2013, 5:16 pm

Also, I think it was just the one quick shot of her, so we really didn't see her from behind. That makes it technically not T&A (unless A stands for abs), just to be accurate.......

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Report this May. 21 2013, 5:49 pm

I didn't like that section in the film, but in no way does that mean I didn't like ST:ID. I saw it's first showing on the first night and thought the film was beyond amazing.


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Report this May. 21 2013, 6:02 pm

How was it in any way gratuitous? Her underwear had the same coverage as a two piece swimsuit. You can see the same thing in some newspaper inserts. Time for everyone to take a deep breath and remember that we don't live in Victorian times.

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Report this May. 21 2013, 6:14 pm

Quote: crellmoset @ May. 21 2013, 6:02 pm

>How was it in any way gratuitous? Her underwear had the same coverage as a two piece swimsuit. You can see the same thing in some newspaper inserts. Time for everyone to take a deep breath and remember that we don't live in Victorian times.


It was gratuitous in that it was entirely forced and unneccesary, and pretty much just an excuse to get a pretty actress in her underwear. You can have non-gratuitous nudity, and a fully clothed woman bending over can be gratuitous; it's more about context than content. Again, it isn't anything that hasn't happened on Star Trek before.

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Report this May. 21 2013, 6:20 pm

Given their previous articles where the writers made a joke about it to the tune of "LULZ! We did it to Zoe Saldana so now it's her turn"


The problem here is not her underwear, but the fact that it served no purpose, the context was stupid and it was just there for fan boys to perv on. It was utterly contrived and stupid.  And the frat boy mentality that they addressed it with up to know was very immature.  The fact that it was in EVERY trailer (much like Saldan stripping in 2009) just adds to it.


I have no problem with sexy women in their underwear if it's in the proper context, which this wasn't.

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Report this May. 21 2013, 10:28 pm

I'm still wondering exactly why she had to strip. Was that ever really explained?


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Report this May. 21 2013, 11:44 pm

Is there seriously a conversation about this? From Star Trek fans? I think Eva is HOT and I liked it! What about Zoe Saldana in the first reboot? HOT! What about Jolene Blalok in just about every other episonde towards the end? AGAIN, HOT! The point is, HOT women wearing very little has been around since TOS... That is why I am dumbfounded by the entire thread even existing...

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Report this May. 21 2013, 11:48 pm

Quote: texashale_100000303951332 @ May. 21 2013, 11:44 pm

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>The point is, HOT women wearing very little has been around since TOS...

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Then perhaps this marks a problem with Star Trek in general.


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Report this May. 22 2013, 12:35 am

It's certainly not a problem for me...

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Report this May. 22 2013, 3:00 am

I was cheesed off by the character being in the film at all. Coulda been a new character but no. Had to be a future Kirk sexual conquest. Her appearance itself was gratuitous.


 


"Copped to the fact"..Hmm. How articulate. This is a writer??

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Report this May. 22 2013, 6:03 am

I wasn't really bothered by the scene.  I was still sort of weirded out with the idea of Kirk having a threesome with two cat chicks.  Who is he, Kirk, or Charlie Sheen?

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Report this May. 22 2013, 6:33 am

Quote:

Then perhaps this marks a problem with Star Trek in general.


It always has been. In the 60s it was just a case of old fashioned sexism. TNG and DS9 thankfully avoided the problem with the main characters but when VOY introduced 7 of 9 there were faceplants a plenty.  I was never happy with the way she was dressed.  I always got the impression that  the writers felt "Uh oh, lady captian too smart and good at her job!  Men's weiners shrinking! Need maor boobs!" and  7 was born. 


T'Pol, I just rolled my eyes and sighed. And laughed a little because of the fact her clothing choice was pretty "illogical" (no pockets?) and also went against the trend casual clothing on every other Vulcan we've seen on Star Trek.


STID basically took one strong female character and reduced her to an underwear model with daddy issues.  It would have been nice if Kirk had been attracted to her for her mind.  


Then they erased Nurse Chapel totally and reduced her to a sexual exploit by the main character who is getting laid so much that he doesn’t even remember who he’s sleeping with her.


But like the racist whitewashing of Khan, because something has alway been practiced in the past, doesn't mean it's okay to ignore it in the present. Inaction against this kind of problem is what allows it to be repeated over and over again.

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Report this May. 22 2013, 10:06 am

[quote]


It always has been. In the 60s it was just a case of old fashioned sexism. TNG and DS9 thankfully avoided the problem with the main characters but when VOY introduced 7 of 9 there were faceplants a plenty.  I was never happy with the way she was dressed.  I always got the impression that  the writers felt "Uh oh, lady captian too smart and good at her job!  Men's weiners shrinking! Need maor boobs!" and  7 was born. 


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I think Jeri Ryan's then partner, Brannon Braga might have had something to do with it.


I remember an interview with Kate Mulgrew and she said words to the effect of


"As soon as we saw her, we said Wow! This is really going to get the young male audience going...va va vooom!"


 


So there ya go. Not much has changed really. Execs thought audiences couldn't handle strong female characters then and they still think it.  


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