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Boycotting Into Darkness does nothing but hurt the future of Star Trek

willowtree

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Report this May. 25 2013, 2:03 pm

Quote: bunkey @ May. 24 2013, 11:46 am

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>Willowtree, I am chill, honestly.  But the problem is, I'm vocal about my dislike of NuTrek and call it simplistic , unsophisticated and unintelligent. Some people view this as a personal attack.  I also have been honest about my wish for NuTrek to fail, which they think is me trying to "take away" their Star Trek.  So some people, specifically three or four posters, have decided to take it to a personal level.

>Oy, what can ya do? 

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I didn't mean you....I'm just as vocal about not liking it as you are, and yes I've been attacked for it too

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Report this May. 25 2013, 2:15 pm

I respect any Old Trek fan, and I know one or two, who have refused to pay to see STID out of principle. J.J. Abrams is not creating Star Trek movies for the "Old Trek" fans, he's creating movies that will sell movie tickets. Yes, he is throwing in a few nods to the old Trek films, but he's basically creating dumbed down action movies with alot of FX, for the Transformers movie going audience. BTW, I don't think a few Old Trek fans not going to see the film will hurt box office returns, or Abrams' position as head of the Trek franchise. Paramount is appartently happy with him.

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Report this May. 26 2013, 2:47 am

Quote: chator56 @ May. 25 2013, 2:15 pm

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>I respect any Old Trek fan, and I know one or two, who have refused to pay to see STID out of principle. J.J. Abrams is not creating Star Trek movies for the "Old Trek" fans, he's creating movies that will sell movie tickets. Yes, he is throwing in a few nods to the old Trek films, but he's basically creating dumbed down action movies with alot of FX, for the Transformers movie going audience. BTW, I don't think a few Old Trek fans not going to see the film will hurt box office returns, or Abrams' position as head of the Trek franchise. Paramount is appartently happy with him.

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Exactly.


I would go further and say that Paramount doesn't give a stuff about Old Trek fans.


What other people think of you is none of your business.

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Report this May. 26 2013, 5:03 am

Quote: Somniac @ May. 26 2013, 2:47 am

Quote: chator56 @ May. 25 2013, 2:15 pm

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>I respect any Old Trek fan, and I know one or two, who have refused to pay to see STID out of principle. J.J. Abrams is not creating Star Trek movies for the "Old Trek" fans, he's creating movies that will sell movie tickets. Yes, he is throwing in a few nods to the old Trek films, but he's basically creating dumbed down action movies with alot of FX, for the Transformers movie going audience. BTW, I don't think a few Old Trek fans not going to see the film will hurt box office returns, or Abrams' position as head of the Trek franchise. Paramount is appartently happy with him.

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Exactly.

I would go further and say that Paramount doesn't give a stuff about Old Trek fans.


I don't think that's true at all. These movies have to bring in more money. They can't made a TOS TV episode and expect that to happen.


It's 2013 and Star Trek is relevent again. It wouldn't be if it weren't for JJ and his crew.


STID is FULL of trek homage. It's obvious they went out of their way to include trek lore.


Good character building/moral storyline as well.


They are missing some great trek if they choose not to see it.


I just found this great Star Trek MB!!  photo ac1685424929087bf1b7e7e0d734f861.jpg

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Report this May. 26 2013, 12:32 pm

I paid for two tickets for Into Darkness. I was enjoying the movie until I heard the name of the villain and realized it was a redo. The promos for Into Darkness showed the villain but did not mention his name. I believe this was done on purpose to deceive the fans. They should have called the movie "Into Darkness The Wrath of Kahn". Star Trek fans deserve better. Praising a movie out of fear that they won't make anymore is ridiculous. If the producers of Star Trek continue to make reruns I don't want to see them anyway. If they listen to those of us who are not pleased with their shortcuts then there may be a real future for Star Trek. I am not looking forward to waiting four more years for another rerun.

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Report this May. 26 2013, 2:29 pm

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It's 2013 and Star Trek is relevent again. 


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Not to me.


What other people think of you is none of your business.

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Report this May. 26 2013, 2:50 pm

Quote: Somniac @ May. 26 2013, 2:47 am

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>I would go further and say that Paramount doesn't give a stuff about Old Trek fans.

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As an entity, Paramount has never given a stuff about anything except for making money. This has historically been every bit as true as it is today, and was as true of CBS when they agreed to produce original Star Trek in the first place. And I hate to say this, but old Trek fans are a tiny niche market compared with the size of audience that the studios want to draw in. It would be unrealistic to expect any studio to be precious about it.


 


 


"It's 2013 and Star Trek is relevent again. 


Not to me."


That's okay. Nobody is obliged to like it!


Have you ever danced with a Tribble in the pale moonlight?

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Report this May. 26 2013, 2:55 pm

Quote: warp speed @ May. 26 2013, 12:32 pm

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>Praising a movie out of fear that they won't make anymore is ridiculous.

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I have not seen any evidence that such a thing is happening. Most of the Star Trek fans I know have been pretty genuine (and vocal) in expressing their opinions. [The rest haven't seen it yet.] By that logic, praise for the movie might not be something you agree with, but it doesn't come from "fear". People praise aspects of the film that they genuinely like.


Have you ever danced with a Tribble in the pale moonlight?

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Report this May. 26 2013, 6:12 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ May. 26 2013, 2:55 pm

Quote: warp speed @ May. 26 2013, 12:32 pm

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>Praising a movie out of fear that they won't make anymore is ridiculous.

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I have not seen any evidence that such a thing is happening. Most of the Star Trek fans I know have been pretty genuine (and vocal) in expressing their opinions. [The rest haven't seen it yet.] By that logic, praise for the movie might not be something you agree with, but it doesn't come from "fear". People praise aspects of the film that they genuinely like.


A few people -- like the OP here -- have implied that we have to like the new movie, otherwise Star Trek will just shrivel up and disappear. There's a slight whiff of desperation to it.


But, as you said, most fans are probably genuine.

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Report this May. 26 2013, 8:17 pm

I just saw Star Trek Into Darkness in Imax 3D with Imax DMR.  Being a trekkie from the original series, through TNG, Voyager, Enterprise, DS9 and All the Movies, including the New Generation of Kirk and Spock Treks with the younger crew is All good to me.  You can sit and compare and say this wasn't as good as that or so on, but if you could just look at each Episode, each Movie for what they are and enjoy the hard work these people put their lives work into and enjoy the storylines for what they are in their own right, you will be a much happier person.  If you don't like a movie because you think it doesn't follow the timeline of the original, you will drive yourself to an early grave.  The effects are fantastic! Yes, the story line tries to add the personality traits of the old trek characters to help us older trekkies try to connect with the new generation of Kirk and Spock, etc characters; with to me, is fun!  To make the Khan story line new but yet have some similarities to the old Khan is fine with me.  It is the story at hand you need to learn to enjoy and just stop comparing.  I love the new generation of the old characters.  Granted they can have similar characteristics to the original characters but they can have their own idiosyncracies to the new generation of the older characters.  Life is about change.  Embrace it!  Enjoy it!  I was amazed with the Imax 3D and how I felt like I was right there IN the movie.  That's what movies are about.  Getting lost in the story and not analyzing it until your blue in the face.  Yes, there was a lot of action.  Yes, they can make more movies that can flesh out the characters more so you learn to love them as you have the originals.  It will not be sacrilegious for loving the new characters over the old.  You can love them all equally.  I realize we all have our own opinions and that is what makes this country (USA) great.  There is no right or wrong and I realize these days it seems all about the $'s made.  I love the Star Trek Movies and I hope Paramount will continue to make them!  I love getting lost in the future of Star Trek and its SciFi.  Live Long and Prosper!

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Report this May. 26 2013, 8:24 pm

I didn't dislike Star Trek '09 because it made changes in the sacred texts or anything silly like that. I didn't like it simply because I thought it was a horribly noisy, chaotic action extravaganza of the sort that gives me headaches and makes me reach for the whiskey. As I said before, if that's the future of Star Trek then I'll be giving it a miss. I'm not going to accept every movie I see uncritically, nor am I so determined to enjoy Star Trek that I'll pay for JJ Abrams to give me another migraine.

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Report this May. 26 2013, 8:40 pm

I understand how you might find the movie '09 quite noisy and chaotic.  I did find Into Darkness quite loud, but I think that is part of the Imax 3D experience.  Where we were sitting at first to the side in the theatre, I thought my ear drums were going to bust.  However, when we moved to the very top row in the center, it balanced out.  The chaos you speak of, to me, seems in part to show the chaos of these new chadets to their new ship and having to go through their learning curve of learning their new jobs.  I understand how it can come off as very chaotic as you say.  I also notice, the older I get, and I noticed this with my mother who was 75 when she died, the older she got, the less she could handle chaotic shows/movies of any kind.  I'm hoping that I can keep my mind young enough to understand that so I can keep enjoying movies.  Granted I wasn't a lover of DS9 or Enterprise just because it seemed darker.  I don't enjoy darker.  But, that is me.  If you don't like Chaos, then maybe this isn't for you.  You can't please all the people all the time.  I just know I enjoyed it. ;-)

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Report this May. 26 2013, 8:59 pm

If we're lucky maybe they will do a remake of "The Cage". They could call the new movie "Entrapment" so Star Trek fans wouldn't know what it was until they were already in the theater. Wouldn't that be original? Another rerun in 3D sure would be exciting.

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Report this May. 26 2013, 9:17 pm

ST cannot die.  All they need to do to bring it back to life is give it some Kahn blood.  This to me was the  worst flaw in   the movie. The new found ability to cure all disease and even death in the Federation.  And I know this will be ignored in the next film if they make one.  They want to ignore the old time continuity, fine, but I think they're going to ignore their new continuity too.  Make up something to solve a problem (death) then forget about it.  I suggested the next movie should be about this medical advance, maybe even be a McCoy centered movie.  After all the movie is "Star Trek"  not  "Captain Kirk and friends".


No response must mean you all agree.

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Report this May. 26 2013, 9:25 pm

Certainly after 12 movies there is always going to be a high risk of a retread feel or a "this is similar to that" kind of feel.


To me, Star Trek VI and Star Trek IV had the most unique plots (well Star Trek V was pretty unique too . . . you gotta give it that).  Most of the others repeat themselves in some way.


That being the case, I didn't feel like this one was TOO heavy in the retread feel.  It had enough bumps and turns from other movies to keep it feeling fresh and unique to me. 


I don't think you're going to get away from the EPIC feel that all of these new Star Trek movies have.  For better or worse, a decade of summer blockbusters (Star Wars, Fast & Furious, Transformers, Avengers, Spiderman, Batman) have pretty much guaranteed people go to sci-fi movies right now wanting flashbangs.

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