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Boycotting Into Darkness does nothing but hurt the future of Star Trek

bunkey

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Report this May. 24 2013, 10:43 am

The more I read Vger's posts the more I feel like he's desperate to cling to Star Trek in any shape or form and is positively terrifed that the faction of fans that dislike NuTrek will be heard, hence the Thought Police.


JJ Abrams Star Trek is not worthy of the Star Trek name.  It is STINO. It should not be called Star  Trek.  NuTrek is the equivalent of the Louis Vuitton condom.  You take an established brand, slap it's name on something and charge people for it no matter what the product or quality.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 10:57 am

Still trying to play the victim I see. You're sadly mistaken in thinking that anyone is afraid of your voice being heard. You're part of a smaller group. People are just tired of your impotent ranting, conspiracy paranoia, fallacious thinking, claims of knowing what the deceased Gene Roddenberry would think, hearing you try to define your opinions as facts, veiled insults and general nonsense.

I wish you well though. May you release from yourself whatever is causing you to behave like this and find happiness.

Ethics are arbitrary.

bunkey

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Report this May. 24 2013, 11:07 am

Of you're so philosophical. How am I a victim?  And do you speak for the entire board, because some people agree with me on many points.   And you're totally innocent of veiled insults?   Again you go and make it personal. Interesting that you always have to make it personal when the subject matter fails you.


If you want me to be "free of whatever is causing me to act like this", then hope NuTrek stops being a $h!tty knockoff.


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Report this May. 24 2013, 11:18 am

nobody is playing the victim, everyone chill

bunkey

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Report this May. 24 2013, 11:46 am

Willowtree, I am chill, honestly.  But the problem is, I'm vocal about my dislike of NuTrek and call it simplistic , unsophisticated and unintelligent. Some people view this as a personal attack.  I also have been honest about my wish for NuTrek to fail, which they think is me trying to "take away" their Star Trek.  So some people, specifically three or four posters, have decided to take it to a personal level.


Oy, what can ya do? 

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Report this May. 24 2013, 2:54 pm

Quote: crellmoset @ May. 24 2013, 10:57 am

> People are just tired of your impotent ranting, conspiracy paranoia, fallacious thinking, claims of knowing what the deceased Gene Roddenberry would think, hearing you try to define your opinions as facts, veiled insults and general nonsense. I wish you well though.


Do you? Don't sound like it mate.


And when you say people............


...include me out.


 


See I keep reading on here that everyone likes it and you are deluded/pschotic/stupid/blind..(insert as required) if you don't see it as a positive addition to the franchise. You are in a tiny minority, I read.


But  a look around on boards less confrontational and aggressive than this one will show that that ain't the case and no amount of 


"impotent ranting, conspiracy paranoia, fallacious thinking, claims of knowing what the deceased Gene Roddenberry would think, hearing you try to define your opinions as facts, veiled insults"


is going to make it so.


What other people think of you is none of your business.

bunkey

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Report this May. 24 2013, 3:15 pm

Quote:

But  a look around on boards less confrontational and aggressive than this one will show that that ain't the case and no amount of


are there nicer board?!  Show me the way. LOL.


 


but don't get excited, haters,  I'm still posting here.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 3:27 pm

I for one hope Star Trek never "dies," in the sense that I hope creative people keep putting out new material I might like, and in the sense that I hope new audiences continue to discover and enjoy what they can enjoy from all the existing material.


I fear that my second hope will be disappointed because of the way fans behaving badly alienate new audiences.  In the past, I have assumed that the kinds of squabbles that happen among relatively tiny groups of fans in online forums and such could not penetrate the popular mind set to affect the way most people perceive Star Trek, but recent experiences have made me more concerned.


I've recently had conversations with two very casual acquaintances about the new Star Trek movie.  Neither of these people know me well enough to know my level of interest in Star Trek apart from the fact I raised the topic of the new movie.  Both are unfamiliar with Star Trek.  Yet both raised the issue of purists among the fanbase objecting to the new movie on the grounds of continuity violations.  How they heard about this purist discontent, I don't know.  Now two people is not a scientific sample by any stretch of the imagination, and I hope that they are not representative, that most people remain blissfully unaware of Trekkie nitpicking over fictional continuity--because that kind of thing pushes people away from Star Trek, all Star Trek.  And over the years, I have heard similar comments from various friends and acquaintances.  They dismiss Star Trek, all Star Trek without ever trying it because they fear it is exclusive and inaccessible.  I know that other Trek fans have shared similar experiences and I've heard similar things in the media about the way Star Trek is perceived.


So, if unlike me, you want Star Trek to die, keep on campaigning in extreme and elaborate terms against parts of the franchise, declaring them not to be Star Trek, as if Star Trek can be rigidly defined, and as if its fanatical followers have the right to define it for everyone.  I hope no one unfamiliar with Star Trek is listening, because if they are, you are souring them on everything associated with the franchise.


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Report this May. 24 2013, 5:13 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ May. 24 2013, 8:59 am

Quote: Pooneil @ May. 24 2013, 6:31 am

Quote: Vger23 @ May. 23 2013, 9:21 pm

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>Entropyman Have you ever thought that its kind of selfish and shitty to wish something dead that is obviously very popular and bring joy to a lot of people just because it doesn't satisfy your needs? How about just not watching it? Or voicing constructive criticism about it? Wishing it gone is crossing the line.

Entropyman said "So what if it dies?" -- he didn't "wish it dead" -- and I tend to agree. There are already 28 seasons of television, twelve movies, and countless books -- it doesn't matter to me if there aren't any more. If you like the new movies, Vger, that's fine, and you can go on enjoying them. What confuses me are the accusations of disloyalty -- as if Star Trek has to keep getting made indefinitely just because remakes, reboots, reimaginings, and endless sequels are the only things people watch anymore.

 

It doesn't HAVE to. 

 

My point is why would you want it to go away when you could simply ignore it if you feel that strongly? Why have something happen what would "disappoint" far more people than it would "please' just so you don't have to bear witness to it any longer. 

Dudes / Dudettes, if you don't want to watch it, and it's presence offends you...then why engage in discussions and subject yourselves to it? It's nonsensical. It's one thing if you want to debate it and complain about it. Ok...that's what being a fan is all about (ummm...I guess anyway). But just wanting it to go away? Can't the same thing be accomplished if you just ignore it without having the millions who DO want it be disappointed?

 

See...that's what these people are all about. It's not about how it sucks and JJ is a jerk or whatever. What people can't stand is that it will go on without them...and that's why they would rather see it go away. 

Well...honestly, I have no sympathy for you if that's your stance. Too bad. Not liking it is one thing. Trying to take it away from others is completely different. One is acceptable and even welcome. The other is worthy of a giant "#uck you." 

 

Sorry about that. 


Vger23, do us all a favor and read some of the posts you reply to. I believe you're intelligent enough to do that, at least. No one ever said they "wanted" Star Trek to die. Several of us have said that we "wouldn't care" if Star Trek died, which is quite different. No one's trying to take it away from you, and you don't have to say "#uck you" to anyone, as much as you might want to.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 5:41 pm

Vger you're clearly getting way too worked up over this. Just as much as they are with the new movie. Dont bother. Just ignore them. This can't be the only thing people are logging in to talk about around here these days...

This is clearly nothing new to Trek.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 8:17 pm

You know what? It's clear this movie broke a few rules like the ship being built on land and flown thru the atmosphere but a true Star Trek fan would see this movie and keep the dream alive. without the support this franchise will die. Do the right thing, let your imagination make up reasons for the broken rules and just enjoy yourself. Dont be a douchebag and boycott the movie. Its all makebelieve anyway. The idea is to have fun and keep Gene Roddenbery's vision alive.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 9:13 pm

Who's boycotting?


There are thousands of movies each year I don't see, that doesn't mean I'm boycotting them. If a person does not like the new Trek, he or she is under no obligation to buy tickets to "support the franchise," especially if that person does not like the direction the franchise is heading.


Some people like the new movies, good for them. Some people don't. They have the right not to.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 9:21 pm

Agreed 100%


There have been some whispers on the interwebs however of people saying they will actively "boycott" the films, as if this is likely to make a difference. That is, of course, their choice too. Although with 0% likelihood of achieving those people's objectives, wherever they intend to protest or change the franchise.


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Report this May. 24 2013, 9:26 pm

First of all, I never said "I wish Star Trek would die". I said "so what if it dies?" If no more new Trek is ever made, it's not the end of the world since there's a lot of great Trek already out there. I love Star Trek- that's why it pains me to see it reduced to caricature and blatantly violating established lore. Also, I'm not in charge of Star Trek. I'm not taking anything away from anyone by giving my opinion. So no, V'ger, I don't think I'm being selfish, since I'm not denying you your right to see and enjoy inferior iterations of Star Trek. I also never said I was boycotting nuTrek, only that I don't care to see it- it doesn't grab me. It's silly to suggest we have to go see it just so we don't lose any future Star Trek production. If as you say "Star Trek will go on without me", then so be it. I'm not trying to kill it, I'm just a guy giving an opinion. You don't have to be frightened of opinions.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 11:06 pm

Quote: Holo @ May. 24 2013, 9:13 pm

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>Who's boycotting?

>There are thousands of movies each year I don't see, that doesn't mean I'm boycotting them. If a person does not like the new Trek, he or she is under no obligation to buy tickets to "support the franchise," especially if that person does not like the direction the franchise is heading.

>Some people like the new movies, good for them. Some people don't. They have the right not to.

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Exactly my point. I only object to people saying "It's not Trek" or that they "hate Abrams."


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