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Boycotting Into Darkness does nothing but hurt the future of Star Trek

Catholic.Fan

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Report this May. 23 2013, 1:15 pm

Well, I have to agree that boycotting STID is a dumb idea if we ever want "our" Star Trek back.  However, it seems like the movie is doing quite well in theaters, so it's unlikely to be of real concern.


I liked the ending, too, but I think the franchise is building to some of the plot-points from Star Trek III (only more action-ified).  It seems like half of STID was laying groundwork for a big 3rd movie.  

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Report this May. 23 2013, 3:01 pm

At least see it before you decide to say its not any good. They really aren't that bad.

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Report this May. 23 2013, 3:51 pm

Yeah I mean I will be the first fan to tell you that Classic Trek lived from 1966-2005, and these new movies are remakes. Or reimaginings or reboots or whatever term you prefer. But I don't get why fans are so mad about it. It's just a new version of Star Trek. Why does it have to take away from what came before? I mean how many times have Superhero movies been made and remade? How many times has James Bond been made and remade? Superman, Batman etc...and people continue to get into those and continue to enjoy them. Why not Star Trek? Honestly I would be okay if after the new TOS cast is done, if we get some TNG remakes just like these, with the TNG cast, re-cast and remade.

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Report this May. 23 2013, 6:44 pm

I feel similar to Pooneil. If the future of Trek looks like Nutrek, I'm just not sure I want it to go on. Trek fans have been blessed with so much to watch, so what if it dies? We still have more to watch than most other shows fans and I could be content with that. I did see ST09 and was unimpressed and I had planned to see STID, but now it's here...and I can't be bothered to go. That's not because I don't love Star Trek though. I should be jazzed; there's a new Star Trek movie out! But it's Trek in name only to me.

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Report this May. 23 2013, 8:56 pm

Quote: Sora @ May. 23 2013, 3:51 pm

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>Yeah I mean I will be the first fan to tell you that Classic Trek lived from 1966-2005, and these new movies are remakes. Or reimaginings or reboots or whatever term you prefer. But I don't get why fans are so mad about it. It's just a new version of Star Trek. Why does it have to take away from what came before? I mean how many times have Superhero movies been made and remade? How many times has James Bond been made and remade? Superman, Batman etc...and people continue to get into those and continue to enjoy them. Why not Star Trek? Honestly I would be okay if after the new TOS cast is done, if we get some TNG remakes just like these, with the TNG cast, re-cast and remade.

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I agree with this point very much. I recently read an article about Nicholas Meyer and it had this statement in it that I think sums up my feelings:



On taking the baton in an already successful franchise: “The Catholic Mass has a text, but various composers have set these words to very different music. … When you listen to various versions, they don’t sound the same at all. … All these ‘Star Trek’ movies, including J.J. [Abrams'], is the result of different composers putting different music to the same basic thing.”


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Report this May. 23 2013, 9:21 pm

Entropyman

Have you ever thought that its kind of selfish and shitty to wish something dead that is obviously very popular and bring joy to a lot of people just because it doesn't satisfy your needs?

How about just not watching it? Or voicing constructive criticism about it? Wishing it gone is crossing the line.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 5:34 am

Quote: entropyman @ May. 23 2013, 6:44 pm

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>I feel similar to Pooneil. If the future of Trek looks like Nutrek, I'm just not sure I want it to go on. Trek fans have been blessed with so much to watch, so what if it dies? We still have more to watch than most other shows fans and I could be content with that. I did see ST09 and was unimpressed and I had planned to see STID, but now it's here...and I can't be bothered to go. That's not because I don't love Star Trek though. I should be jazzed; there's a new Star Trek movie out! But it's Trek in name only to me.

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I don't think Star Trek is anywhere near dead, nor that it can really die. But I guess that depends on what you consider to be dead. If you consider no new episodes or movies coming out to be dead, then maybe in that sence it might die.


But I will say this, I have been attending conventions for many many years. There have always been people there who come up and say that they are watching a series for the first time. Ten years ago, even at a convention last month, there are people who are just discovering the series. In this sense, Star Trek will never die

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Report this May. 24 2013, 5:36 am

Quote: Sora @ May. 23 2013, 3:51 pm

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>Yeah I mean I will be the first fan to tell you that Classic Trek lived from 1966-2005, and these new movies are remakes. Or reimaginings or reboots or whatever term you prefer. But I don't get why fans are so mad about it. It's just a new version of Star Trek. Why does it have to take away from what came before? I mean how many times have Superhero movies been made and remade? How many times has James Bond been made and remade? Superman, Batman etc...and people continue to get into those and continue to enjoy them. Why not Star Trek? Honestly I would be okay if after the new TOS cast is done, if we get some TNG remakes just like these, with the TNG cast, re-cast and remade.

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From what I've read here and other places people aren't upset about the movie simply because it's a remake. What the're upset about is the poor execution of the movie.


Personally I don't like the movies, but it's not because it's a remake, it's not because they recast everyone. I just didn't like the movie. I didn't like the plot, the sets, the lack of character development, etc. Remake or not

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Report this May. 24 2013, 6:31 am

Quote: Vger23 @ May. 23 2013, 9:21 pm

>Entropyman Have you ever thought that its kind of selfish and shitty to wish something dead that is obviously very popular and bring joy to a lot of people just because it doesn't satisfy your needs? How about just not watching it? Or voicing constructive criticism about it? Wishing it gone is crossing the line.


Entropyman said "So what if it dies?" -- he didn't "wish it dead" -- and I tend to agree. There are already 28 seasons of television, twelve movies, and countless books -- it doesn't matter to me if there aren't any more. If you like the new movies, Vger, that's fine, and you can go on enjoying them. What confuses me are the accusations of disloyalty -- as if Star Trek has to keep getting made indefinitely just because remakes, reboots, reimaginings, and endless sequels are the only things people watch anymore.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 6:31 am

Quote: Vger23 @ May. 23 2013, 9:21 pm

>Entropyman Have you ever thought that its kind of selfish and shitty to wish something dead that is obviously very popular and bring joy to a lot of people just because it doesn't satisfy your needs? How about just not watching it? Or voicing constructive criticism about it? Wishing it gone is crossing the line.


 


Aren't you due for retirement from the thought police by now?


What other people think of you is none of your business.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 8:59 am

Quote: Pooneil @ May. 24 2013, 6:31 am

Quote: Vger23 @ May. 23 2013, 9:21 pm

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>Entropyman Have you ever thought that its kind of selfish and shitty to wish something dead that is obviously very popular and bring joy to a lot of people just because it doesn't satisfy your needs? How about just not watching it? Or voicing constructive criticism about it? Wishing it gone is crossing the line.

Entropyman said "So what if it dies?" -- he didn't "wish it dead" -- and I tend to agree. There are already 28 seasons of television, twelve movies, and countless books -- it doesn't matter to me if there aren't any more. If you like the new movies, Vger, that's fine, and you can go on enjoying them. What confuses me are the accusations of disloyalty -- as if Star Trek has to keep getting made indefinitely just because remakes, reboots, reimaginings, and endless sequels are the only things people watch anymore.


 


It doesn't HAVE to. 


 


My point is why would you want it to go away when you could simply ignore it if you feel that strongly? Why have something happen what would "disappoint" far more people than it would "please' just so you don't have to bear witness to it any longer. 


Dudes / Dudettes, if you don't want to watch it, and it's presence offends you...then why engage in discussions and subject yourselves to it? It's nonsensical. It's one thing if you want to debate it and complain about it. Ok...that's what being a fan is all about (ummm...I guess anyway). But just wanting it to go away? Can't the same thing be accomplished if you just ignore it without having the millions who DO want it be disappointed?


 


See...that's what these people are all about. It's not about how it sucks and JJ is a jerk or whatever. What people can't stand is that it will go on without them...and that's why they would rather see it go away. 


Well...honestly, I have no sympathy for you if that's your stance. Too bad. Not liking it is one thing. Trying to take it away from others is completely different. One is acceptable and even welcome. The other is worthy of a giant "#uck you." 


 


Sorry about that. 


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Report this May. 24 2013, 10:43 am

The more I read Vger's posts the more I feel like he's desperate to cling to Star Trek in any shape or form and is positively terrifed that the faction of fans that dislike NuTrek will be heard, hence the Thought Police.


JJ Abrams Star Trek is not worthy of the Star Trek name.  It is STINO. It should not be called Star  Trek.  NuTrek is the equivalent of the Louis Vuitton condom.  You take an established brand, slap it's name on something and charge people for it no matter what the product or quality.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 10:57 am

Still trying to play the victim I see. You're sadly mistaken in thinking that anyone is afraid of your voice being heard. You're part of a smaller group. People are just tired of your impotent ranting, conspiracy paranoia, fallacious thinking, claims of knowing what the deceased Gene Roddenberry would think, hearing you try to define your opinions as facts, veiled insults and general nonsense.

I wish you well though. May you release from yourself whatever is causing you to behave like this and find happiness.

Ethics are arbitrary.

bunkey

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Report this May. 24 2013, 11:07 am

Of you're so philosophical. How am I a victim?  And do you speak for the entire board, because some people agree with me on many points.   And you're totally innocent of veiled insults?   Again you go and make it personal. Interesting that you always have to make it personal when the subject matter fails you.


If you want me to be "free of whatever is causing me to act like this", then hope NuTrek stops being a $h!tty knockoff.


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Report this May. 24 2013, 11:18 am

nobody is playing the victim, everyone chill

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