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Boycotting Into Darkness does nothing but hurt the future of Star Trek

Makaweli

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Report this May. 23 2013, 5:14 am

Will I see it? If I can, probably, maybe. I enjoyed the first one for what it was. But, I must admit that saying "we don't want to redo what was done." and then blatantly doing just that, but one off isn't refreshing. There's a billion stories that can be done without rehashing old ones. Not to mention, it's just not logical that within the whole franchise, why the Klingons look so different. They obviously aren't augmented. And they're obviously not the Klingons from the movies/TNG onward either. The story doesn't make sense with all the changes within the timeline (realistically, everything should be the same up to when the timeline was altered.) 

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Report this May. 23 2013, 9:30 am

Quote: DS9_FOREVER! @ May. 23 2013, 4:20 am

Quote: Sora @ May. 22 2013, 9:47 pm

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>I was one who thought Star Trek 2009 was just an ok movie. But I went and saw Into Darkness anyway and I absolutely LOVED it! I think Into Darkness is WAY better than 2009. I will still watch it just because I love Trek and I have to see everything Trek, but also if I don't like a movie, that doesn't mean I won't like the next one, it means I didn't like THIS one. But I really didn't hate 2009, I just wasn't crazy about it. But Into Darkness has totally changed my view of Abrams Trek. I think it's a fantastic move. I think fans need to lighten up about Abrams Trek.

>This is isn't classic Trek and it isn't supposed to me. These new Abrams movies are remakes. New re-imaginings of Star Trek. It doesn't change anything that was done before. I still prefer classic Trek and I watch it all the time. But there's no reason not to enjoy these new remakes. They are still quite good.

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Glad you enjoyed it Sora.

What did youo think of the ending?


Oh I loved it! I'm ready to see the next movie to see the crew on their 5 year mission! I think it will be fantastic!


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Catholic.Fan

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Report this May. 23 2013, 1:15 pm

Well, I have to agree that boycotting STID is a dumb idea if we ever want "our" Star Trek back.  However, it seems like the movie is doing quite well in theaters, so it's unlikely to be of real concern.


I liked the ending, too, but I think the franchise is building to some of the plot-points from Star Trek III (only more action-ified).  It seems like half of STID was laying groundwork for a big 3rd movie.  

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Report this May. 23 2013, 3:01 pm

At least see it before you decide to say its not any good. They really aren't that bad.

Sora

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Report this May. 23 2013, 3:51 pm

Yeah I mean I will be the first fan to tell you that Classic Trek lived from 1966-2005, and these new movies are remakes. Or reimaginings or reboots or whatever term you prefer. But I don't get why fans are so mad about it. It's just a new version of Star Trek. Why does it have to take away from what came before? I mean how many times have Superhero movies been made and remade? How many times has James Bond been made and remade? Superman, Batman etc...and people continue to get into those and continue to enjoy them. Why not Star Trek? Honestly I would be okay if after the new TOS cast is done, if we get some TNG remakes just like these, with the TNG cast, re-cast and remade.

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Report this May. 23 2013, 6:44 pm

I feel similar to Pooneil. If the future of Trek looks like Nutrek, I'm just not sure I want it to go on. Trek fans have been blessed with so much to watch, so what if it dies? We still have more to watch than most other shows fans and I could be content with that. I did see ST09 and was unimpressed and I had planned to see STID, but now it's here...and I can't be bothered to go. That's not because I don't love Star Trek though. I should be jazzed; there's a new Star Trek movie out! But it's Trek in name only to me.

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Report this May. 23 2013, 8:56 pm

Quote: Sora @ May. 23 2013, 3:51 pm

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>Yeah I mean I will be the first fan to tell you that Classic Trek lived from 1966-2005, and these new movies are remakes. Or reimaginings or reboots or whatever term you prefer. But I don't get why fans are so mad about it. It's just a new version of Star Trek. Why does it have to take away from what came before? I mean how many times have Superhero movies been made and remade? How many times has James Bond been made and remade? Superman, Batman etc...and people continue to get into those and continue to enjoy them. Why not Star Trek? Honestly I would be okay if after the new TOS cast is done, if we get some TNG remakes just like these, with the TNG cast, re-cast and remade.

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I agree with this point very much. I recently read an article about Nicholas Meyer and it had this statement in it that I think sums up my feelings:



On taking the baton in an already successful franchise: “The Catholic Mass has a text, but various composers have set these words to very different music. … When you listen to various versions, they don’t sound the same at all. … All these ‘Star Trek’ movies, including J.J. [Abrams'], is the result of different composers putting different music to the same basic thing.”


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Report this May. 23 2013, 9:21 pm

Entropyman

Have you ever thought that its kind of selfish and shitty to wish something dead that is obviously very popular and bring joy to a lot of people just because it doesn't satisfy your needs?

How about just not watching it? Or voicing constructive criticism about it? Wishing it gone is crossing the line.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 5:34 am

Quote: entropyman @ May. 23 2013, 6:44 pm

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>I feel similar to Pooneil. If the future of Trek looks like Nutrek, I'm just not sure I want it to go on. Trek fans have been blessed with so much to watch, so what if it dies? We still have more to watch than most other shows fans and I could be content with that. I did see ST09 and was unimpressed and I had planned to see STID, but now it's here...and I can't be bothered to go. That's not because I don't love Star Trek though. I should be jazzed; there's a new Star Trek movie out! But it's Trek in name only to me.

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I don't think Star Trek is anywhere near dead, nor that it can really die. But I guess that depends on what you consider to be dead. If you consider no new episodes or movies coming out to be dead, then maybe in that sence it might die.


But I will say this, I have been attending conventions for many many years. There have always been people there who come up and say that they are watching a series for the first time. Ten years ago, even at a convention last month, there are people who are just discovering the series. In this sense, Star Trek will never die

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Report this May. 24 2013, 5:36 am

Quote: Sora @ May. 23 2013, 3:51 pm

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>Yeah I mean I will be the first fan to tell you that Classic Trek lived from 1966-2005, and these new movies are remakes. Or reimaginings or reboots or whatever term you prefer. But I don't get why fans are so mad about it. It's just a new version of Star Trek. Why does it have to take away from what came before? I mean how many times have Superhero movies been made and remade? How many times has James Bond been made and remade? Superman, Batman etc...and people continue to get into those and continue to enjoy them. Why not Star Trek? Honestly I would be okay if after the new TOS cast is done, if we get some TNG remakes just like these, with the TNG cast, re-cast and remade.

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From what I've read here and other places people aren't upset about the movie simply because it's a remake. What the're upset about is the poor execution of the movie.


Personally I don't like the movies, but it's not because it's a remake, it's not because they recast everyone. I just didn't like the movie. I didn't like the plot, the sets, the lack of character development, etc. Remake or not

DS9_FOREVER!

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Report this May. 24 2013, 6:22 am

Quote: Sora @ May. 23 2013, 9:30 am

Quote: DS9_FOREVER! @ May. 23 2013, 4:20 am

Quote: Sora @ May. 22 2013, 9:47 pm

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>I was one who thought Star Trek 2009 was just an ok movie. But I went and saw Into Darkness anyway and I absolutely LOVED it! I think Into Darkness is WAY better than 2009. I will still watch it just because I love Trek and I have to see everything Trek, but also if I don't like a movie, that doesn't mean I won't like the next one, it means I didn't like THIS one. But I really didn't hate 2009, I just wasn't crazy about it. But Into Darkness has totally changed my view of Abrams Trek. I think it's a fantastic move. I think fans need to lighten up about Abrams Trek.

>This is isn't classic Trek and it isn't supposed to me. These new Abrams movies are remakes. New re-imaginings of Star Trek. It doesn't change anything that was done before. I still prefer classic Trek and I watch it all the time. But there's no reason not to enjoy these new remakes. They are still quite good.

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Glad you enjoyed it Sora.

What did youo think of the ending?

Oh I loved it! I'm ready to see the next movie to see the crew on their 5 year mission! I think it will be fantastic!


Should have been more specific.


The TWoK reversal and Spock emotional outburst scene?


I just found this great Star Trek MB!!  photo ac1685424929087bf1b7e7e0d734f861.jpg

DS9_FOREVER!

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Report this May. 24 2013, 6:26 am

Quote: Sora @ May. 23 2013, 3:51 pm

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>Yeah I mean I will be the first fan to tell you that Classic Trek lived from 1966-2005, and these new movies are remakes. Or reimaginings or reboots or whatever term you prefer. But I don't get why fans are so mad about it. It's just a new version of Star Trek. Why does it have to take away from what came before? I mean how many times have Superhero movies been made and remade? How many times has James Bond been made and remade? Superman, Batman etc...and people continue to get into those and continue to enjoy them. Why not Star Trek? Honestly I would be okay if after the new TOS cast is done, if we get some TNG remakes just like these, with the TNG cast, re-cast and remade.

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I for one hope that after the next movie, we get these actors comitted to a TV series for about 5 years!


What fantastic casting!!


I just found this great Star Trek MB!!  photo ac1685424929087bf1b7e7e0d734f861.jpg

Pooneil

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Report this May. 24 2013, 6:31 am

Quote: Vger23 @ May. 23 2013, 9:21 pm

>Entropyman Have you ever thought that its kind of selfish and shitty to wish something dead that is obviously very popular and bring joy to a lot of people just because it doesn't satisfy your needs? How about just not watching it? Or voicing constructive criticism about it? Wishing it gone is crossing the line.


Entropyman said "So what if it dies?" -- he didn't "wish it dead" -- and I tend to agree. There are already 28 seasons of television, twelve movies, and countless books -- it doesn't matter to me if there aren't any more. If you like the new movies, Vger, that's fine, and you can go on enjoying them. What confuses me are the accusations of disloyalty -- as if Star Trek has to keep getting made indefinitely just because remakes, reboots, reimaginings, and endless sequels are the only things people watch anymore.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 6:31 am

Quote: Vger23 @ May. 23 2013, 9:21 pm

>Entropyman Have you ever thought that its kind of selfish and shitty to wish something dead that is obviously very popular and bring joy to a lot of people just because it doesn't satisfy your needs? How about just not watching it? Or voicing constructive criticism about it? Wishing it gone is crossing the line.


 


Aren't you due for retirement from the thought police by now?


What other people think of you is none of your business.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 8:59 am

Quote: Pooneil @ May. 24 2013, 6:31 am

Quote: Vger23 @ May. 23 2013, 9:21 pm

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>Entropyman Have you ever thought that its kind of selfish and shitty to wish something dead that is obviously very popular and bring joy to a lot of people just because it doesn't satisfy your needs? How about just not watching it? Or voicing constructive criticism about it? Wishing it gone is crossing the line.

Entropyman said "So what if it dies?" -- he didn't "wish it dead" -- and I tend to agree. There are already 28 seasons of television, twelve movies, and countless books -- it doesn't matter to me if there aren't any more. If you like the new movies, Vger, that's fine, and you can go on enjoying them. What confuses me are the accusations of disloyalty -- as if Star Trek has to keep getting made indefinitely just because remakes, reboots, reimaginings, and endless sequels are the only things people watch anymore.


 


It doesn't HAVE to. 


 


My point is why would you want it to go away when you could simply ignore it if you feel that strongly? Why have something happen what would "disappoint" far more people than it would "please' just so you don't have to bear witness to it any longer. 


Dudes / Dudettes, if you don't want to watch it, and it's presence offends you...then why engage in discussions and subject yourselves to it? It's nonsensical. It's one thing if you want to debate it and complain about it. Ok...that's what being a fan is all about (ummm...I guess anyway). But just wanting it to go away? Can't the same thing be accomplished if you just ignore it without having the millions who DO want it be disappointed?


 


See...that's what these people are all about. It's not about how it sucks and JJ is a jerk or whatever. What people can't stand is that it will go on without them...and that's why they would rather see it go away. 


Well...honestly, I have no sympathy for you if that's your stance. Too bad. Not liking it is one thing. Trying to take it away from others is completely different. One is acceptable and even welcome. The other is worthy of a giant "#uck you." 


 


Sorry about that. 


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