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Boycotting Into Darkness does nothing but hurt the future of Star Trek

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Report this May. 29 2013, 5:44 am

Quote: wissa @ May. 28 2013, 1:57 pm

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>I've never heard of her having any creative input. 

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She didn't have input but she had a say, if she didn't like something it didn't happen.

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Report this May. 29 2013, 5:46 am

Quote: bunkey @ May. 28 2013, 3:18 pm

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>Majel was a fierce woman, too.  I remember being at a convention and she just went OFF about Shatner's book.

>I've been very happy that their son had become active in Trek fandom.  He may not be the creative genius that Gene was but he's learning about his legacy.  Trek Nation brought me to tears many times.  And the announcement that the Roddenberry's are pregnant is exciting.

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I got to meet her at a convention shortly before she passed away. She was amazing. Though having seen their son's pesentation at conventions before it feels more like he's milking his name more than anyting

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Report this May. 29 2013, 9:24 am

Fireproof,


 


The problem isn't just with Kirk, who Abrams made into an alcoholic skirt chaser who admits to having sex with farm animals, has problems with authority figures, lies on official reports, and doesn't even try to follow the Prime Directive.


Please tell me you realize that the "farm animals" thing is a joke


What about an emotional Spock that can't tolerate insults of his mom?


He is young and despite his attempts to bring his emotions under completely control there is a trigger point for him. I never had a problem with this fact, especially since Sarek says emotions run more deeply than in humans.


Even in TOS, when Spock is stripped of inhibitions in "The Naked Time" one theme that comes up his feelings regarding his mom.


A prima donna Uhura who "has to serve on the Enterprise."



Given her qualifications, and Spock's reasons for not assigning her to Enterprise I think she has a valid point.


A verbally abusive Engineer Scott who admits to using dead animals as experimental test subjects


I'll grant this one, simply because I don't think Scotty was well done.


 


An incompetant helmsman Sulu


One mistake makes incompetence? He was able to warp in to the upper atmosphere of a planet to conceal their approach. Pretty sure that's impressive as far as piloting feats go.


A Vulcan murdering Chekov


Further explanation is required for me to give an answer.


Again, your mileage will vary, but I like the fact that the characters are not their perfect, Prime, incarnations. The lack of a father in Kirk's life is one point of his character that is played out rather well.


Similarly with Spock. He hasn't reached the point in his life where logic became the dominating force. Then his world blew up, which would be a set back for anyone in the mental health department.


I don't want them to be perfect, and its nice to see that the flaws of youth are explored.

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Report this May. 29 2013, 10:00 am

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She didn't have input but she had a say, if she didn't like something it didn't happen.[/quote]


 


I'm really having problems believing that she had any sort of official or unoffical veto ability.  Posts in this thread would even counter it.  Why was she ranting about Shatner's books if she could veto them?  Do you have any outside source for this?


Even if she did have veto power, who's to say she might veto the movies?


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Report this May. 29 2013, 10:06 am

I wonder if anyone realizes that the lack of a father figure increases the rebelliousness in a young man? I don't think they overexaggerated it so much as they created a character who lacked the proper guidance to develop in to the "by the book" Kirk in TOS.


I don't buy that at all.  Not even for a penny.  You're telling me a woman couldn't raise a "by the book" son?


There are plenty of men that lacked father figures in their lives that have turned out fine. I know a lot who were raised by single mothers and are fantastic men. One of my closest friends was raised by a fierce Latina single mom and he is now and always has been a fantastic person.  The absence of a father or father figure doesn't automatically mean a rebellious teenager.  One of my friends is raising her children with her partner, a woman, and the boy is just fine.


The absence of a father figure as explanation for shitty behavior is outdated AND highly discriminatory. In the 23rd Century there are probably many forms of families that lack a male figure.


The main reason Kirk was a huge douche was because he had a neglectful mother who went off world very often and left them with an abusive stepfather. They should have written it that Winona Kirk was a proud Starfleet officer who raised her boys right but Kirk is a jerk who has no interest in Starfleet because his father died because of it. Having Kirk resent Starfleet because of his mother's loyalty to the organization that killed his father would have been more interesting.


 


Why was she ranting about Shatner's books if she could veto them?


It was his biography. It's not a licensed fiction novel or a Star Trek. No one can stop a biography from being published unless they get an injunction and even then it's difficult.


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Report this May. 29 2013, 10:15 am

 save your snark please.  How was anyone supposed to know you were talking about his biography 


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Report this May. 29 2013, 10:25 am

I know a guy that won't see ID because they changed the look of the Klingons.  I guess there are still some that protest the change from TOS to TNG Klingons.  Oh well.


I already watched Into Darkness twice, have bought the soundtrack and pre-ordered the DVD.


For now, I'll just wait for the third movie and in the meantime watch next installments of "The Hobbit".

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Report this May. 29 2013, 10:26 am

Quote: willowtree @ May. 29 2013, 5:46 am

>I got to meet her at a convention shortly before she passed away. She was amazing. Though having seen their son's pesentation at conventions before it feels more like he's milking his name more than anyting


 


I honestly felt the same way but after seeing the film I changed my mind.  It struck many personal chords with me as well, the fact that Gene died when Rod was so young and he never really knew him. I found it very genuine, a man trying to learn about his dad and his legacy. My impression is that he realized, now at 40 that his name means a lot more to the world and he wanted to understand it and find his own identity.


He lends the name to the Roddenberry Foundation, a philanthropic endeavor to fund projects that seek to further Gene's vision.


The Roddenberry Dive Team also seeks to do that, but with exploring the seam which appears to be one of Rod's personal passions.


I also love The Mission Log Podcast. They always come up with neat new treasures, such as never seen before memos from the 60s.


The kid's gotta make a living, so I don't fault him for doing some things for profit, like running the Roddenberry Store,  but he also appears to be really earnest in his intent to honor his parents' legacy.


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Report this May. 29 2013, 10:29 am

Quote: wissa @ May. 29 2013, 10:15 am

>save your snark please.  How was anyone supposed to know you were talking about his biography


 


How was that snark? I would think that anyone who's been a Star Trek fan for a long time would be familiar with how much controversy Shanter's biography caused. It was common knowledge.


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Report this May. 29 2013, 10:34 am

it was.  And now I'm not trekkie enough  


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Report this May. 29 2013, 11:04 am

Did I say that?  Perhaps you feel that way but that is not what was said.


And stating that a biography is not subject to licensee approval is not snark.


 

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Report this May. 29 2013, 11:44 am

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>She didn't have input but she had a say, if she didn't like something it didn't happen.

 

I'm really having problems believing that she had any sort of official or unoffical veto ability.  Posts in this thread would even counter it.  Why was she ranting about Shatner's books if she could veto them?  Do you have any outside source for this?

Even if she did have veto power, who's to say she might veto the movies?


I saw her at a convention and she said that herself. She didn't veto shatner's book because it was shatner's book. but as far as what was on tv she absoluely had say in it

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Report this May. 29 2013, 11:46 am

Quote: wissa @ May. 29 2013, 10:15 am

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> save your snark please.  How was anyone supposed to know you were talking about his biography 

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what snark? there was no snark there

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Report this May. 29 2013, 11:47 am

Quote: wissa @ May. 29 2013, 10:34 am

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>it was.  And now I'm not trekkie enough  

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wow, way to twist the words there, nobody said that

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Report this May. 29 2013, 12:08 pm

yes she did.  Any good trekkie would know the controversy surrounding Shatners biography.  Since I didn't know instantly that she was referring to shatner's biography when she mentioned a book... well what other conclusion is there?  I'm not a good trekkie.  And the whole definition of a biography was condescending.  Obviously had I known it was a biography it would have been obvious she couldn't stop it. 


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