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Star Trek Into Darkness Reviews

newstar

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Report this Jun. 30 2013, 5:24 pm

Quote: DS9_FOREVER! @ Jun. 30 2013, 12:46 pm

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>The problem is, Kirk received the mind meld from Spock(prime) not Spock. I don't see anyway that could influence nuSpock like that.

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That's the point, actually.  Kirk hates new Spock at that point, but when old Spock melds he felt the proper emotions, from the emotionaly transference part.  He realised what his relationship with Spock could/is supposed to be.  From then on, he would not help but beel a sense of the old relationship when he looked at Spock, and the feeling of deep loyalty, respect, frienship would happen much more quickly in the new timeline.


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Report this Jul. 02 2013, 2:50 pm

Quote: newstar @ Jun. 30 2013, 5:24 pm

Quote: DS9_FOREVER! @ Jun. 30 2013, 12:46 pm

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>The problem is, Kirk received the mind meld from Spock(prime) not Spock. I don't see anyway that could influence nuSpock like that.

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That's the point, actually.  Kirk hates new Spock at that point, but when old Spock melds he felt the proper emotions, from the emotionaly transference part.  He realised what his relationship with Spock could/is supposed to be.  From then on, he would not help but beel a sense of the old relationship when he looked at Spock, and the feeling of deep loyalty, respect, frienship would happen much more quickly in the new timeline.


So how does this justify Spock's lack of control when Kirk dies?


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Report this Jul. 03 2013, 10:19 am

The assumption is made that being able to express emotions means that you're out of control which is not true. This Spock is less neurotic and speciesist than the TOS Spock. He uses and expresses his emotions when he believes that it will be good for or useful to him. Even when he does express his emotions he still retains presence of mind.

Ethics are arbitrary.

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Report this Jul. 03 2013, 12:52 pm

don't forget....vulcans HAVE the full range of emotions. In fact they have EXTREME emotions. Their emotions are very strong which is why they learned to supress them. They have emotions, they just try to supress them and not act on them

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 5:51 am

I saw STID a month ago and I completley say JJ Abrams does not know the meaning of Trek. To seek out new life and new civilisations to boldly go where no man has gone before.


The Good:


Section 31 is in mentioned in the film as the building that blew up.


Special effects were good


The Bad.


Spock and Kirk arguing like little kids just because spock idnt tell kirk he would be making a formal report. Come on this did not even need to be mentioned and would be common sense.


Quinto as Spock A bad choice i wasn't to keen on him in 2009 and find him to emotional as Spock yeah he's half human bit he always was emotionless which when he did something funny more laughable. This Spock is laughably bad.


Spock and Uhura: Didnt bother me to much in 2009 but there was no need for it in the plot line of this movie


Harrison as Khan: Seriously didnt JJ promise he was not doing Khan when I saw this in a spoiler made me question if I really wanted to see this film. Quite frankly if I had went and without finding out I would have walked out.


The New Klingons: Why the kligons looked fine and would not be affected by Nero this also bring me to 


Kronos: The spelling is wrong nuff said 


Spock screaming Khan: This was just the stupidest thing in the whole movie and made me see JJ has ruined trek beyond repair while he is at the helm


Mirror death scene: Can;'t they think of anything original


Khans magic blood: Ok original but a easy way out


Transwarp beaming: Was useful in st2009 but no point in it now


All in all here is my judgement of the films


12. Star Trek V The Final Frontier


11. Star Trek Into Darkness


10. Star Trek 2009


9.   Star Trek the Motion Picture


8.   Star Trek Nemesis


7.  Star Trek Insurrection


6.Star Trek Generations


5. Star Trek the Voyage Home


4.Star Trek The Search for Spock


3.Star Trek The Undiscovered Country


2. Star Trek First Contact


1.Star Trek The Wrath of Khan


 

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 9:37 am

I feel I must respond to the Kirk and Spock argument after Spock's filing the report and Kirk's demotion... It served a couple important purposes as I see it; the way in which they did it was amusing and it highlighted the fact that at that time Spock was By-The-Book without question, even in light of the ultimate result, and the saving of life and a civilization... It was against code, therefore it must be reported and discipline must be administered, although ironically, without it he himself would have an died... This was completely in contrast to Kirk who again displayed his perchance to fly into the face of rules and bend them, even break them, in order to accomplish his mission, save his ship and crew and most importantly NOT BE DEFEATED... Kirk does not like to lose and has proved willing to cheat in order to prevent it.


The scene IMO brought people up to snuff, while educating the new viewers, as well as carry forth the friendly rivalry that the young Kirk and Spock had going... one that spans two completely different ideologies, but similar total dedication to their positions. 


  

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Report this Aug. 31 2013, 10:38 am

"Movies
Your chance to be a virtual film critic"

Okay, I will be a virtual film critic.

I finally saw Star Trek Into Darkness.

Major Spoilers Below:

My opinion:

I thought-

1) It was 20% better than Star Trek (2009), I do not like Star Trek (2009), so anything major carried over to the sequel seems bad to me.
2) The movie would have been an acceptable
average movie if John Harrison was not Khan and all the goes with that
storyline. Then, they did not even have a moment where they show the true Earth history of Khan, so we know what is truth and what is Khan's lies.
3) The transporer is slow and does not immobize people. I know ST:II, (they talked through the beam), ST:IV and ST:VI allow for movement, but now it's getting ridiculous.
4) Khan, with his superior intellect and body, could not kill the admiral before he built that ship? They also cheat, imo, when they have no montage of Khan working with Marcus. Lots of screen cheats and editing cheats in this one, they a
are not showing the audience stuff, just talking about it. Khan being a little angry at forced labor is a very far cry from Khan having to suffer the death of his wife and survive on a harsh ,devestated, planet with no help from the outside galaxy.
5) I appreciate the hard work put into the movie. People work hard on other films too, and some of those offer us something good and/or new in plot, camera work, pacing etc. This one only offers special effects and nice costumes. I like Simon Pegg (love his movies, ones he has a say in), but Scotty was off the Enterprise in much of the screen time. Scotty was better this time around, though. I guess it does give us pretty good acting as well, but lacks in other areas.
6) Kirk beating on Khan was worse than silly. Really bad because a Starfleet officer punched and assaulted a prisoner, he had seconds earlier accepted Khan's surrender. One of the worst part of the movie.
7) Kirk/Starfleet did not even try to negotiate with the Klingons. The movie did not even explain why Earth and Kronos were at odds. Why was Starfleet so worried about the Klingons?
8) Why would an honorable Klingon pull a knife on Uhura after letting them land their ship? The Klingons could have destroyed them sooner.(ship is a Star Wars/Flying Sub rip off)
Also, the Bat'leth looked a little unpracticle for the weilder. Extra spikes/blades not fuctional in this case.
9) No visual use of starship energy shields.
Are they always offline? The hull plates are always taking damage.
(I can't remember if shields were up when Admiral Marcus transported Carol, if they were up, how did it work?)
10) If Spock can hurt Khan, why can't equally strong Klingons hurt him?

In addition:

(I feel it was a missed opportunity, non-essential, but fun, if they used Star Trek: The Motion Picture rocket sleds for the space dive, since they reference other things anyway)

Is the Klingon Empire so small in this time that they don't detect a starship coming a few lightyears away? If so, how are they a threat?

Is Kronos essentially Pakistan in this story? Starfleet doen't ask to enter Klingon space to kill or capture Khan, they just tresspass, probably breaking several interstellar treaties.

How can this happen when humans are supposed to be enlighted in the 23rd century?

(especially with Spock onboard)

Not that this matters:

Did Keenser quit too?
As a Starfleet officer, wouldn't his duties keep him in the engine room on the U.S.S. Enterprise?

I guess the entire crew should have resigned.

"How many people does it take, admiral?"

A wrong should always be wrong.

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