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Report this Jun. 01 2013, 6:02 am

Quinto's portrayal of Spock isn't Quinto's fault, it's the writers.


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Report this Jun. 01 2013, 11:02 am

Quinto's Spock comes off as annoyingly comical to me. To the person who compared him to a punching bag for Kirk, that's right on. He takes all of the charm out of the character and turns him into an unlikable poster boy for mild autism. 


The whole controversy of the underwear scene for Alice Eve I think was more directly related to the fact that it made absolutely no impact/sense whatsoever. I felt dumber after having seen it, and not for moral reasons but for the sake of film making. The writers didn't even attempt to establish any sort of connection between her and Kirk, except this half-assed scene that was left unexplored thereafter. Her character was so wildly unimportant, which was unfortunate, as I was rooting for her. I wanted her to fit in well, her acting is nice, and her look is so in line with the classic Trek women. 


I thought Cumberbatch was great. Maybe I'm cheesy, actually I probably am, but I enjoyed him as Khan immensely...though it wasn't much of a twist. Simon Pegg is as always awesome, and plays a perfect Scotty. I wish I had seen more of him actually...


Ultimately, the movie seemed a little unfinished and bombastic, but I liked it. Really, I liked it quite a bit. I went with  one other Trek fan and two who didn't know the series from Adam and all of us enjoyed it. Particularly (and unsurprisingly) the two 'non-fans.' ST can be intimidating to some, and having it grounded for the masses in a way-that in my opinion-doesn't compromise its integrity is a wonderful thing.

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Report this Jun. 01 2013, 1:03 pm

Quote: TrekForthMyFriends @ Jun. 01 2013, 11:02 am

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>Quinto's Spock comes off as annoyingly comical to me. To the person who compared him to a punching bag for Kirk, that's right on. He takes all of the charm out of the character and turns him into an unlikable poster boy for mild autism. 

>The whole controversy of the underwear scene for Alice Eve I think was more directly related to the fact that it made absolutely no impact/sense whatsoever. I felt dumber after having seen it, and not for moral reasons but for the sake of film making. The writers didn't even attempt to establish any sort of connection between her and Kirk, except this half-assed scene that was left unexplored thereafter. Her character was so wildly unimportant, which was unfortunate, as I was rooting for her. I wanted her to fit in well, her acting is nice, and her look is so in line with the classic Trek women. 

>I thought Cumberbatch was great. Maybe I'm cheesy, actually I probably am, but I enjoyed him as Khan immensely...though it wasn't much of a twist. Simon Pegg is as always awesome, and plays a perfect Scotty. I wish I had seen more of him actually...

>Ultimately, the movie seemed a little unfinished and bombastic, but I liked it. Really, I liked it quite a bit. I went with  one other Trek fan and two who didn't know the series from Adam and all of us enjoyed it. Particularly (and unsurprisingly) the two 'non-fans.' ST can be intimidating to some, and having it grounded for the masses in a way-that in my opinion-doesn't compromise its integrity is a wonderful thing.

>


 


I find this to be an interesting post that I agree miuch with, and I'd like to make a couple comments off it.


The problem with Quinto's Spock as I see it is the 'romance' with Uhura... I find it a wasted aspect of the rebooted franchise and in my eyes changes things in not very good way... Also Spock's battle with the human side is not done as well as with Nimoy's... Spock Prime had a way to smile without smiling and use humor in an ironic yet subtle manner, and also could be perplexed due to his Vulcan side with an amusing style... This all I feel is due to both the new Spock's written part as well as Nimoy's brilliant acting... No to take anything away from Quinto with this.


As to Dr, Marcus and the underwear sceen... I take it as both a way to have that little tittilation that was also in the 2009 movie with Kirk, as well as to build a little on the Kirk character itself... notice the peek and little smirk... IMO her part is yet to come, and this was a way of easing her i with the Khan plot (again) and pre birth -- if that is in deed how they will precede in the alternate timeline -- She is now in the crew and we will see what develops.


I too like Cumberbatch although I didn't think I would going in... Pegg's Scotty doesn't work for me, although it was much better in this one than in 2009... I was disappointed with Bones in this movie and I detailed why in an earlier post, but I loved him in the previous film when he was more subtle and less a caricature of himself.


I believe that this movie will be better accepted and received by the new fans rather than the long time ST-TOS fans... and mayb by the other ST Generations... There is less to pick apart when you are new... yet still enough there for the old fans who have missed the Enterprise 1701 crew. The reversal of roles has grown on me as has the Khan tie-ins with the prevoous two Khan 'episodes'.


I'm eaagerly awaiting the next installment.


 

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Report this Jun. 01 2013, 1:32 pm

Soran, Ru'afo, Shinzon, Nero -- I liked some of these characters better than others, but each seemed like an attempt by later writers and creative people to recapture the essence and flavor of the Khan character from the original cast fan favorite.  Slapping a new name and some alien makeup on a classic villain template does not make it more original.  I thought Into Darkness' use of Khan himself was a far more original reimagining of the character.


Star Trek: The Motion Picture is infamous in certain quarters for essentially re-telling the story of "The Changeling," though I don't have a problem with it.


The original series of Star Trek only had four plots: the petulant god, the irrational computer, the alternate earth, and the inhuman creature.


Great storytellers always have and always will borrow from other stories.  It's the execution of the borrowed material that matters.


Falor was a prosperous merchant who went on a journey to gain greater awareness: Through storms he crossed the Voroth Sea/ To reach the clouded shores of Raal/ Where old T’Para offered truth./ He traveled through the windswept hills/ And crossed the barren Fire Plains/ To find the silent monks of Kir./ Still unfulfilled, he journeyed home/ Told stories of the lessons learned/ And gained true wisdom by the giving. – Falor’s Journey, “Innocence”

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Report this Jun. 01 2013, 5:11 pm

Quote: KelisThePoet @ Jun. 01 2013, 1:32 pm

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>Soran, Ru'afo, Shinzon, Nero -- I liked some of these characters better than others, but each seemed like an attempt by later writers and creative people to recapture the essence and flavor of the Khan character from the original cast fan favorite.  Slapping a new name and some alien makeup on a classic villain template does not make it more original.  I thought Into Darkness' use of Khan himself was a far more original reimagining of the character.

>Star Trek: The Motion Picture is infamous in certain quarters for essentially re-telling the story of "The Changeling," though I don't have a problem with it.

>The original series of Star Trek only had four plots: the petulant god, the irrational computer, the alternate earth, and the inhuman creature.

>Great storytellers always have and always will borrow from other stories.  It's the execution of the borrowed material that matters.

>


The producers can redo all 79 episodes of the original Star Trek if they want to but fans like me will not be paying theater prices to watch redos. It's absolutely astounding that writers were able to write original stories for the spin off series STNG, Voyager, and Enterprise but cannot do so for a major motion picture. You may like rechewing your gum but I find that it loses it's flavor.

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Report this Jun. 01 2013, 5:17 pm

Not only was Quinto's Spock weak, but all Uhura did was run behind Spock with her foolish accusations acting like a silly emo teen, truly  the destuction of a good character, when comparing Chris Pines Kirk with Bill Shatners, With Shatners Kirk shows up you know someone was gonna get their butt kicked, when Chris Pine's Kirk shows up it was a matter of who would kick his butt and who would save him ? Prime Spock or Pike ?


 


 

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Report this Jun. 01 2013, 8:24 pm

Actually, a crapload of those episodes were remixes and repeats of the same idea.  I'd say easily 80% or more.


You liked them then. 


People need to chill out a bit with this one.  Yes, it has Khan . . . and it does a role reversal on Kirk and Spock with the death scene.


That's about it though.  Far less retread than Voyager or Enterprise.

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Report this Jun. 01 2013, 10:23 pm

It would not have been impossible for the producers of this movie to have used an original script. Star Trek fans have waited 4 years for this film. That's 4 years of getting by on old tv episodes and movies. I purposely did not read the reviews because I have never been disappointed by a Star Trek movie. That is until now. The promos did not mention Khan's name. By all apearances this was an original story. I found out in the theater that this was a redo and was very angry at being deceived. I could not bond with the characters because they all seemed like comedy impersonators. The story moved so fast it was almost like the writers feared that if the characters slowed down we would see how shallow they really were. There was not a single moment like in the Paradise Syndrome when Spock was studying how to enter the meteor deflector. No quiet, no peace, no moment of reflection. Explosions and special effects may atract new fans but I will not pay to see another Star Trek movie until I have read the reviews spoilers or not. There can be no replacements for William Shatner, Leanord Nimoy, Deforest Kelly, or James Doohan. The best thing writers can do is to follow Gene Roddenbery's vision and update their stories. It would have been nice to have had guest appearances by actors from STNG, Voyager, or Enterprise. I think this film should have flowed seamlessly with the Star Trek universe instead of being a showcase for past successes. I will not be buying this redo on Blu-ray or anything else. I only wish I could get a refund for the money I wasted at the theater.

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Report this Jun. 02 2013, 3:58 am

 


 


Star Trek Into Darkness Dizzying

 


 


 


non-spoiler review by Wendy Gamble


 


 


 


 


 


             From the opening dash through a dazzling crimson forest to the downfall of the destructive but complex foe, Star Trek: Into darkness keeps you suspended in space, oblivious to reality around you.  My two teens next to me didn’t notice I left for five agonising minutes, my spouse thought I was back in two, things were moving so fast.  There’s no doubt it was an action packed extravaganza of special effects and stunning imagery.  The familiar yet freshly mysterious characters were given some room to grow, bringing touching and funny moments.  However, the pacing was off, the plot not ideal, the characterisation good but incomplete.


 


Just as (reportedly), a person who is tortured continually grows immune to the pain, stopping the effectiveness, the action lost the suspense and power it could have held if interspersed with more calm.  One sudden explosion is startling, sending a burst of emotion.  However, when there is one after another non-stop for a long period of time, they cease to cause much reaction.  This is a trend I’ve noticed in many modern blockbusters.  I wish the directors would hold back and cause anticipation and suspense in classic Alfred Hitchcock style.  Give us a hint that something important is to come, then make us wonder if it actually will before bringing it with a bang.   A pause should ensue for the emotional reactions of the characters, their thoughts on how to solve the problem, and their efforts work out character conflicts to carry out the plan. What I saw in Star Trek was sudden bangs followed by bang, bang, bang. 


 


The plot was sufficient, though not, I believe, what Gene Roddenberry had in mind for the franchise.  There was intrigue and enough complexity to be interesting, but the basis was war and revenge instead of exploration interrupted by unexpected problems.  The drive to seek scientific advances and further knowledge is (supposed to be) the core of Star Trek.


 


             While the character moments we had were wonderful, they were too short and too few.  If I hadn’t read the comics I would have been clueless as to Uhura’s emotional strife, and very little time was given to it, no reasons or proper resolution.  The addition of Carol Markus was a good one, though we didn’t get to see a lot of her (except in one gratuitous scene). The conflict between Kirk and Scotty was good, but needed a wrap up via proper Kirk lecture on protocol.  It wasn’t clear they had a proper understanding as a result of the actions and reactions.  Kirk’s officers shouldn’t be yelling back at him while he’s talking!  I don’t believe Kirk would tolerate that in this timeline any more than the original one.  Perhaps we’ll see him learn to drum that out of them.  The captain has many faults, but lack of discipline is not one of them.


 


             I found the finale awkward.  The segue into the five year mission monologue was totally inappropriate.  That was my daughter’s first comment as well.


 


             Despite its frustrating faults, a fabulously fun tale I’m willing to add to the universe of Trek canon.  I only hope for something even better next time around.


 


 



 



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Report this Jun. 02 2013, 4:36 am

Quote: Del_Duio @ May. 20 2013, 8:25 am

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>I saw the movie last night and thought it was awesome. I'd rank it at #4 behind WoK, ST 2009, and ST 6.

>Of course there's no beating Monteblan's Khan but Benedict was pretty great for the parts he was in. I'm glad they did not re-do the whole "cat and mouse" WoK scene with the 2 damaged starships because for awhile there that's what it looked like was going to happen.

>The whole reversal of the Kirk / Spock antimatter chamber scene was great however when Spock yelled "KHAAAAANN!!!" I have to admit I felt a twinge of cheesiness. Oddly enough when Spock said "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" there was no such cheesiness. I guess you have to pick your moments when it comes to homage!

>The new look Klingons with the Predator-style armor are cool and actually sort of scary for once which was good. I have no doubt Klingons and the war Admiral Marcus wanted to start will be front and center in the next one.

>And there was even a tribble. Huzzah!

>I'm glad Carol Marcus was more than just for the T&A factor and hey there's nothing saying that she HAS to have a kid with Kirk now. I mean some things might not always be pre-determined even with the new timeline.

>Special props to Chris Pine who I thought did a really great job with Kirk acting-wise. When Pike took the Enterprise away from him he actually looked pained and sad and BELIEVABLE.

>Karl Urban's Bones is just superb, let's give him the lion's share of the lines in the next one. "Damnit, Jim! There's Klingons hovering around Uranus!" Hahahaha, tell me that wouldn't crack the joint up hahaha..

>


I  had the same feeling, I didn't like Spock yelling Khan!!! It's not my famourite Kirk moment, as he's usually pretty calm, too, but it was not approriate for Spock, even with the emotional events of Vulcan.


I thought all the actors did a great job, and also loved Kirk's emotions at being demoted.  I only wish there had been much more time spent on characterisation instead of continual action.  Too much action gets numbing and loses it's effect.


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Report this Jun. 02 2013, 9:18 am

This is one film I will be buying day one on blu-ray and it is precisely because unlike Trek 2009 there were MORE moments of character development and reflection.  Here is a list of some of what was touching to me:


 


Kirk and Spock’s interchange with Pike at the start and then Kirk’s subsequent reaming by the Admiral.


 


The Admiral informing Kirk he still believes in him and he will be his first officer.


 


The Admirals death and both Kirk and Spock’s reaction to it.


 


Uhura and Spock’s fight on the way to the Klingon homeworld.


 


Scotty’s resignation and begging of Kirk not to use the torpedos.


 


Kirk’s begging of Khan to keep his crew alive and the apology he makes to the crew.


 


Young and old Spock discussing Khan.


 


Kirk and Spock’s entire character arc about why Kirk went back for him.


 


Kirk’s speech to Starfleet Academy. 


 


 


I thought the introduction of the 5 year mission was cool to.  So it all worked for me.


 


About the only thing that felt way off in the film was the way warp drive worked.  That was jarring . . . took second to get to any destination. 


Well, I remember the switching of the roles was a bit of an "oi" as well at the death scene.  The problem wasn't that the characters did it bad, but that it immediately recalled for me the originals and no matter how good the new characters pulled off the original is too iconic for me to NOT feel like they missed something.


 

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Report this Jun. 02 2013, 12:34 pm

I have only one thing to say about STD The Re re Wrath of Khan.....utter CRAP!


So many of you people here have drank the Kool Aid that Jar Jar Abrams and his cronies have provided! This "Star Trek" is devoid of anything that Gene Roddenberry set down as to what Star Trek is all about. I say this as a true old time Trekkie! I have been with Star Trek from the beginning back when TOS aired on NBC, I was one of the many who wrote in to save Star Trek after it was cancelled after its second season. I have been involved in Star Trek fandom ever since then. My last foray into saving Star Trek was when ENTERPRISE was cancelled. Now its gonna be"Deja Vu all over again" because I want to save the REAL STAR TREK. I am sad to see what has become of our beloved franchise, it has been dumbed down and Star Warsed up and in the hands of someone who has admitted that he does not and never has cared for Star Trek or its fanbase. Are all of you Trek fans blind or just desperate for something called Star Trek? Have you NOT noticed how this movie is NOT real Star Trek...dont let the little "winks" at the fans in these films fool you. Orzi and Kurtzman may know Trek but they are not showing that they UNDERSTAND Trek. Star Trek has ALWAYS been about the exploration of the Human Condition and the introspection of what makes us tick. I for the most part have nothing against the cast of the new films...they are talented and can pull this off, the problem is the story or lack thereof. Star Trek inspired people to become scientists,engineers,astronauts because of the vision that Trek gave us. Nu Trek so far has given us none of that inspiration. What we have here is eye candy dressed up as Star Trek and like most candy eventually does is rot your teeth (or in this case your mind). Don't let the Real Star Trek die....let Paramount know your feelings! Now the only place to go for real Star Trek is Star Trek New Voyages/Phase II or the new Star Trek Continues web series, Star Trek Lives there!

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Report this Jun. 02 2013, 6:02 pm

Hello, everybody. My name is Shatnimoy, and I've finally decided to go where no Star Wars fan has gone before...a Trek board! I admit wholeheartedly, I am very new to the world of Trek, but Mr. Abrams' films really enteretained me, and was inspired to view some of the old Trek works. Watching Wrath of Khan was what did it for me: that film is phenomenal, and now I am having an ongoing love affair with Trek, even though I was raised on Star Wars, and continue to enjoy that franchise nevertheless. But I'll admit, the world and characters of Trek are rapidly appealing to me more than Wars ever did, so I'm in imminent danger of full-on converting. I thought it only appropriate that my first post here was of a review of Into Darkness, which I recently saw, so here we go:


 


STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS REVIEW


 


JJ Abrams' Star Trek was my introduction to the franchise, so forgive me if I'm a little overzealously defending of his vision of Trek in these two films. I was not indoctrinated in the teachings of Roddenberry as a kid, so I have no real connection to the old stuff. I find this a blessing, as I'm able to comment on the new Treks from the eyes of an objective outsider, who can appreciate them as entertainment in their own right, not as a heretical change to established tradition. So I hope you all can just go with me when I say that Into Darkness is a damn fine film.


 


Remember, this is coming from someone who has professed to Wrath of Khan being their favorite Star Trek thing ever


 


Into Darkness is a terrific example of good characters, intense set-pieces, and a fast-paced, well-told story of maturation and friendship. All of the cast inhabit their roles convincingly and compellingly. There's a real sense of danger throughout the movie, as the Enterprise crew are confronted by enemies that truly test their smarts and endurance. 


 


Chris Pine continues to make James Kirk a, as Spock would say, "fascinating" character. If the last film was the story of Kirk embracing his destiny and embarking on the first steps of his journey, then this is the story of how Kirk truly grew up and became a Captain worthy of the Enterprise. Zachary Quinto meanwhile still gives an amazingly uncanny impression of our dear Mr. Nimoy, and is especially fun to watch for me, since I know people who act semi-Vulcanesque on a normal basis. 


 


As for Benedict Cumberbatch, I was tremendously impressed with his acting in this, going from cold, to passionate, to poignant to flat-out psychotic in mere seconds. His villain is a total blast to watch, on par with the riveting quality of Heath Ledger's Joker and, yes, the unbeatable Ricardo Montalban's Khan. He comes damn close to matching the greatness of Montalban's Khan, and is undeniably the coolest Trek villain since that stupendous character. 


 


The supporting cast are all excellent, with a big shout-out to Peter Weller, who commands the screen every second he appears, bringing great gruffness to his role, whereas Alice Eve is mostly there for eye candy and to be a setup for sequel plotlines, but she does it as well as she could have (and yeah, I'm annoyed at the blatantly pandering shot of her in her underwear). The rest of the Enterprise crew is top-notch even in their greatly reduced roles, but I don't mind all that much, as further sequels should give them more time to shine, hopefully. Admittedly, Uhura is turned into the stock "whining love interest", but given the context, it actually makes sense here more than in other usages of the trope, so I'll let it slide. The biggest shame is that Karl Urban's Bones gets sidelined for the most part, even though his brief moments are wonderful nevertheless. 


 


The effects are, needless to say, impressive, and even the infamous lens flare is toned down, though there are still brief moments of obnoxiousness by those pesky things (admittedly, I didn't mind them in the last film, but the non-stop joking about them made them impossible to ignore henceforth). The action sequences are all well-shot and excellently paced, with some truly nail-biting moments. This film knows how to thrill, just like the last film did.


 


Michael Giacchino's score is still fabulous, with his themes easily hummable, though I was disappointed that there was no iconic theme for Cumberbatch. At least, I don't recall there being one. 


 


As for the references to past Trek works, I found them amusing and nice, even though I didn't grow up attached to this mythology. I see that the filmmakers are trying to pay tribute, not rip off, as some have accused, and though some references fall into Narm territory, I find it pleasurable Narm, so it's not too bad. 


 


Overall, Star Trek Into Darkenss is a competently made and thrilling new installment of the reboot series, and only serves to increase my love for the characters and their world. I fully intend to see it again, and eagerly await the next film which promises to return the series to its roots, which should be fascinating to see. An absolute high recommendation from me, and easily one of my favorite blockbusters of 2013 so far. 


"Dammit, I'm a Star Wars fan, not a Trekker!"

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Report this Jun. 02 2013, 6:21 pm

Quote: CmdrShran @ Jun. 02 2013, 12:34 pm

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>I have only one thing to say about STD The Re re Wrath of Khan.....utter CRAP!

>So many of you people here have drank the Kool Aid that Jar Jar Abrams and his cronies have provided! This "Star Trek" is devoid of anything that Gene Roddenberry set down as to what Star Trek is all about. I say this as a true old time Trekkie! I have been with Star Trek from the beginning back when TOS aired on NBC, I was one of the many who wrote in to save Star Trek after it was cancelled after its second season. I have been involved in Star Trek fandom ever since then. My last foray into saving Star Trek was when ENTERPRISE was cancelled. Now its gonna be"Deja Vu all over again" because I want to save the REAL STAR TREK. I am sad to see what has become of our beloved franchise, it has been dumbed down and Star Warsed up and in the hands of someone who has admitted that he does not and never has cared for Star Trek or its fanbase. Are all of you Trek fans blind or just desperate for something called Star Trek? Have you NOT noticed how this movie is NOT real Star Trek...dont let the little "winks" at the fans in these films fool you. Orzi and Kurtzman may know Trek but they are not showing that they UNDERSTAND Trek. Star Trek has ALWAYS been about the exploration of the Human Condition and the introspection of what makes us tick. I for the most part have nothing against the cast of the new films...they are talented and can pull this off, the problem is the story or lack thereof. Star Trek inspired people to become scientists,engineers,astronauts because of the vision that Trek gave us. Nu Trek so far has given us none of that inspiration. What we have here is eye candy dressed up as Star Trek and like most candy eventually does is rot your teeth (or in this case your mind). Don't let the Real Star Trek die....let Paramount know your feelings! Now the only place to go for real Star Trek is Star Trek New Voyages/Phase II or the new Star Trek Continues web series, Star Trek Lives there!

>


I don't know what the deal is with noobs showing up and posting the exact same post in more than one thread.   But welcome to the boards.  I'm sure everyone here who liked the movie will be glad to hear how stupid you think they are. 


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Report this Jun. 02 2013, 6:51 pm

Quote: wissa @ Jun. 02 2013, 6:21 pm

Quote: CmdrShran @ Jun. 02 2013, 12:34 pm

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>

>I have only one thing to say about STD The Re re Wrath of Khan.....utter CRAP!

>So many of you people here have drank the Kool Aid that Jar Jar Abrams and his cronies have provided! This "Star Trek" is devoid of anything that Gene Roddenberry set down as to what Star Trek is all about. I say this as a true old time Trekkie! I have been with Star Trek from the beginning back when TOS aired on NBC, I was one of the many who wrote in to save Star Trek after it was cancelled after its second season. I have been involved in Star Trek fandom ever since then. My last foray into saving Star Trek was when ENTERPRISE was cancelled. Now its gonna be"Deja Vu all over again" because I want to save the REAL STAR TREK. I am sad to see what has become of our beloved franchise, it has been dumbed down and Star Warsed up and in the hands of someone who has admitted that he does not and never has cared for Star Trek or its fanbase. Are all of you Trek fans blind or just desperate for something called Star Trek? Have you NOT noticed how this movie is NOT real Star Trek...dont let the little "winks" at the fans in these films fool you. Orzi and Kurtzman may know Trek but they are not showing that they UNDERSTAND Trek. Star Trek has ALWAYS been about the exploration of the Human Condition and the introspection of what makes us tick. I for the most part have nothing against the cast of the new films...they are talented and can pull this off, the problem is the story or lack thereof. Star Trek inspired people to become scientists,engineers,astronauts because of the vision that Trek gave us. Nu Trek so far has given us none of that inspiration. What we have here is eye candy dressed up as Star Trek and like most candy eventually does is rot your teeth (or in this case your mind). Don't let the Real Star Trek die....let Paramount know your feelings! Now the only place to go for real Star Trek is Star Trek New Voyages/Phase II or the new Star Trek Continues web series, Star Trek Lives there!

>

I don't know what the deal is with noobs showing up and posting the exact same post in more than one thread.   But welcome to the boards.  I'm sure everyone here who liked the movie will be glad to hear how stupid you think they are. 


Your mixed statement of both welcome and insult proves your arrogance and how "stupid" (your words) you are. Everyone has a right to their opinion whether you think it's "stupid" or not.

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