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Star Trek Into Darkness Reviews

bpickering

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Report this May. 18 2013, 12:51 pm

As a Long time Hardcore Star Trek Fan since the Mid 70's I love this Movie. 5 Stars. It has a great story with Great Actiing. Loved the 2009 movie also but this is better it felt like Star Trek. The last two Star Trek Movies is how you Make a Star Trek Movie in this day of age IMO


You can't compare last two movies with the original crew movies. Just like you cant compare original crew movies with the Next Gen cast Movies.

Mitchz95

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Report this May. 18 2013, 8:57 pm

Saw it today. I enjoyed it a lot, especially the parallels to militarization and terrorism that are present today. It did have quite a few throwbacks to The Wrath of Khan, some of them a bit blatant. But still, the story was good and the acting better. I'll hold off on a more thorough review until I can see it again, either in the theater or when it comes out on DVD.


I teared up a little when McCoy brought the tribble back to life.


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eonefireemt3

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Report this May. 18 2013, 10:11 pm

Just got back from seeing STID. My feelings are certainly mixed. I felt this was a far better film than 2009. That being said, I think there were some issues that need to be resolved.

1) I wholeheartedly agree that the transwarp beaming is ridiculous. In both movies, it is used as a poor plot device. Transporters have a finite range. The engine room still sucks and how can Kirk be in the warp reactor and not be destroyed? The chamber is supposed to be where matter and antimatter collide. And since when are Phasers pulse weapons. The Phaser has always been a beam weapon. And I don't like the way warp travel is being depicted here. In summary, the design on the technical aspects are grossly lacking in regards to cannon.

2) I'm not sure how I feel about the rehashing of the death scene from TWOK. Though sentimental at heart, I thought that scene was very unoriginal. Thank God, they didn't have Carol Marcus whip up a Genesis Device to revive Kirk, or I would have walked out of the theatre. Kudos to Abrams for keeping Khan a secret till the big reveal. I know that was a huge question mark for fans. I certainly didn't expect him to be Khan till he mentioned his genetic engineering. Brilliant!!!

3) I am really happy with the cast they have chosen to fill these iconic roles, but I felt like the dialogue was a little unoriginal. Like they were trying TOO hard to sound like the old characters.

Overall, very good movie. Unfortunately it's a little late to backtrack to correct what's wrong in abram's universe. With ABC involved in preproduction with a Star Wars series, I feel the time is right for CBS to prep the next Trek series. Hopefully in the Berman/Roddenberry universe maybe 30 years after voyager? I would be supportive of putting Joss Whedon at the helm, but bring back Okuda, Sternbach and Zimmerman. Other ideas I would love to see as a series is New Frontier or a series based on exploring the Beta quadrant? Primarily focused on Captain Dax and the Aventine but give the Riker's and Titan recurring roles throughout the series.

Just some wishful ideas I thought I'd throw out there.

Bill son of Bill...Q'uapla!!!

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Report this May. 19 2013, 12:44 pm

I loved the new Star Trek Movie it had everything I love in scifi action adventure & witty comedic moments & great character moments


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starfan97

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Report this May. 19 2013, 12:49 pm

I loved this movie! The best movie Ive seen in quite awhile. I think that Chris Pine was a great choice for Kirk, although I did not like Zachary Quinto as Spock so much. Or maybe they just made Spock too emotional. I thought the scene where Kirk died, when he cried, was too much emotion from the Vulcan. I also don't like the Uhura-Spock thing. I mean, sure, put Uhura with someone, but not Spock. So all in all, I didnt like Spock in this movie, but it was a FANTASTIC movie otherwise. 

bunkey

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Report this May. 19 2013, 1:08 pm

Spock didn't even cry when he (thought he) killed Jim in Amok Time.  Just sayin'.....

Mitchz95

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Report this May. 19 2013, 1:41 pm

Quote: bunkey @ May. 19 2013, 1:08 pm

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>Spock didn't even cry when he (thought he) killed Jim in Amok Time.  Just sayin'.....

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This Spock is a bit more emotional since his planet was destroyed and his mother murdered. Just sayin'.....


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bunkey

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Report this May. 19 2013, 1:51 pm

Then get Spock some fluoxetine and abilify.  Maybe some clonazepam?


 


If he's that emotional from the destruction of Vulcan maybe he needs medical leave for PTSD.

CountJohn

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Report this May. 19 2013, 5:08 pm

I thought the first one was solid and would put it towards the middle of the pack in terms of Star Trek movies. I thought Into Darkness was okay, probably leaning more towards the mediocre end of that spectrum. I'll post my thoughts in bullet points-


The Good


Some of the characterizations improved from the first movie. I thought Scotty and Chekov were a bit more like their original series counterparts. Urban and Saldana were both good again. Alice Eve was surprisingly decent as Carol Marcus. Cumberpatch got the most out of what he was given (more on that later)


The first half (roughly) of the movie was well-paced, exciting, and looked like it was setting up for another solid climax. I loved the Klingon segment.


The aesthetic of the movie was again great. I especially liked the reimagined Klingon Birds of Prey


The Bad-


I had problems with some of the major characters. I liked Pine and Quinto in the first film, because they were supposed to be playing younger, less seasoned versions of the characters we'd see later. However, after several years in space they're still their old (or new) selves. Pine at times felt like he was playing a Kirk parody, with the "hello ladies" and his complete indiffirence to regulations. Those are both based on traits of the character, but they were shown without the least bit of subtlety (yes, less subtlety than William Shatner, I can't believe I'm writing this either). I liked Quinto better, but he was far too emotional in various scenes in the film.


Now on to Khan. Firstly, they should've cast someone who'd be somewhat beliveable as an Indian. How about Javier Bardem or Benicido Del Toro? This isn't a backbreaking complaint, but really, how could any of Nero's changes make Khan white and British? More importantly, I felt the character was blandly written. He felt like any other generic "super-smart guy who gets mad and decides to kill everyone" bad guy and not like a classic Sci-Fi villain being reimagined. You could've just as easily had him stay "John Harrison" for the whole movie by taking out a few references. This is the fault of the writers and not Cumberpatch, just to reiterate


The re-hash of the Wrath of Khan death scene was utterly lame. It's fine to bring back an old bad guy. I'm a TOS buff and loved all the little references, in jokes, and homages. If I wrote a TOS prequal screenplay, even hardcore fans would critisize it as being completely fetishistic in regards to the TOS lore. That's not the point. But lifting a scene from another movie, putting it in yours, and expecting the audience to have the same emotional response is ridiculous.


Also, I found the general plot a little thin. This was a problem in the first one too, but to me the characters saved it. That didn't happen here. It probably sounds like a disliked it more than I did. Out of ten, I'd say it's about a six.


 

Mitchz95

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Report this May. 19 2013, 5:17 pm

However, after several years in space they're still their old (or new) selves.


It was actually only one year. Maybe less.


how could any of Nero's changes make Khan white and British?


S31 probably surgically altered him so that he wouldn't resemble a notorious tyrant from 300 years ago. As for his accent, he must have been living in London for a while.


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Vicsage

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Report this May. 19 2013, 5:27 pm

In response to CountJohns idea that Kahn could have stayed John Harrison  for the entire movie, that would have been ridiculous.  How would it have looked having Spock yell "JOHN HARRISON" instead of "KAHN"? 


No response must mean you all agree.

CountJohn

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Report this May. 19 2013, 5:29 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ May. 19 2013, 5:17 pm

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>However, after several years in space they're still their old (or new) selves.

>It was actually only one year. Maybe less.

> how could any of Nero's changes make Khan white and British?

>S31 probably surgically altered him so that he wouldn't resemble a notorious tyrant from 300 years ago. As for his accent, he must have been living in London for a while.

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Even if it was just a year or so, my general thoughts on Pine aren't affected, and I still think Spock's emotions towards the end were inconsistent with his behavior earlier in the movie and with Vulcans in general.


As for Khan, that's just conjecture on your part. It wasn't stated, or even hinted at on screen. I was half expecting him to say he'd been surgically altered a couple times, but he never did. That really isn't a big deal; I'd be brushing it off if the character was as well written as he was in his prior appearances, but in my opinion he wasn't.

CountJohn

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Report this May. 19 2013, 5:31 pm

Quote: Vicsage @ May. 19 2013, 5:27 pm

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>In response to CountJohns idea that Kahn could have stayed John Harrison  for the entire movie, that would have been ridiculous.  How would it have looked having Spock yell "JOHN HARRISON" instead of "KAHN"? 

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Again, I said "by taking out a few references". Spock's yelling "KHAAAN" has nothing to do with the substance of the character.

Vger23

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Report this May. 19 2013, 7:41 pm

I think the Cumberbatch as Khan complaint can be dismissed as easily as any other gaffe trek fans are typically willing to forgive. How about Checkov being recognized in TWOK? Kirsty Alley inexplicably turning into Robin Curtis in TSFS? Klingons having pink blood in TUC? Data's emotion chip changing size, shape and location every time it is shown? The list is as long as the franchise itself quite honestly. 


I think ultimately they tried to cast different actors, but at the end of the day they needed to cast the best actor they could. 

littlefuzz4

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Report this May. 19 2013, 8:29 pm

Benicio del Toro was first offered the role of "Khan" in Star trek Into Darkness (2013), but he passed on the role. He decided to do the dramatic movie, Jimmy P, instead. I think Benicio del Toro would have been fantastic in the "Khan" role.

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