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Brannon Braga calls lack of gay Star Trek characters 'a shame'

bunkey

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Report this Jul. 03 2013, 5:13 am

I applaud you for overcoming your homophobia.  As teenagers, we often have world views that are formed out of ignorance, fear and peer pressure (plus teenagers empathy hasn't fully developed yet) but it's hard to step away from "beliefs" (again, see the Dogma quote lol) and things that may have been hardwired into you at a young age by friends or worse, family.   It takes a much bigger person to face their fears and reexamine themselves. It's all about knowledge and exploration...something Trekkies should be familiar with.  


 


Also, did you mean IDIC? "Infinite Diversity from Infinite Combinations"?

milojthatch

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Report this Jul. 07 2013, 6:59 am

When Trek comes back to tv, I expect this to happen. I also expect it to be set in the JJ-Verse, so who cares? They can gay that up as much as their little liberal hearts wish to. It's already garbage.


 


Had gay characters actually been put on Star Trek in the past, I'd stop watching. True, there was the mirror universe characters, but while I was uncomfortable with that, they were also bad guys, so again, meh?


 


I fully expect the few high strung gays on this forum to slam me now (it's all they know how to do based on my experience), so knock yourselfs out, I won't be coming back to this thread. Just know that so long as some of us have not gone mad, you will always have road blocks to your path of social destruction. You can call it whatever PC name you want, but crap will alway be crap, and it will always smell bad!

bunkey

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Report this Jul. 07 2013, 4:19 pm

So you post hateful ideas and then say you will not return? That's pretty much hate and run.   How very brave of you.  You state your opinion but then admit that you'll be running away, so you either must not believe in your hateful statement enought to stand by it or are simply afraid.

A.J.H.

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Report this Jul. 07 2013, 6:15 pm

This is highly ilogical.

ABfield

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 12:11 am

The Temporal Cold War story arc in Star Trek: Enterprise was a "shame". If Braga wants to wring his hands about something,  it should be that.

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 12:32 am

I liked the TCW idea, it was a good way of trying to get around canon, without having to create a new timeline/alternative universe the way Abrams did.

DriaLynn

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 9:17 am

Off topic but are any of you going to the Vegas convention next month?

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 10:11 am

Quote: DriaLynn @ Jul. 08 2013, 9:17 am

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>Off topic but are any of you going to the Vegas convention next month?

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unfortunately not, but we just went to two other conventions. One in Boston a few weeks ago, and one in NJ a few weeks before that

Nanomite

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 3:11 pm

Kevin Riley from the original Star Trek was gay. ´There are references here and there to gender sexuality throughout Star Trek but it does not play a large role because romance in general was always on the 'outer limits of the adventure, suspense, philosophical statements and character development main brew. That left little time to bring issues of bi or homo sexual relationships at a time when such things were done only in secret with no knowledge of how it would turn out. So have a relax with it and smoke em if you got em...

Vulcan merchant

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 5:58 pm

Quote: milojthatch @ Jul. 07 2013, 6:59 am

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>When Trek comes back to tv, I expect this to happen. I also expect it to be set in the JJ-Verse, so who cares? They can gay that up as much as their little liberal hearts wish to. It's already garbage.

>Had gay characters actually been put on Star Trek in the past, I'd stop watching. True, there was the mirror universe characters, but while I was uncomfortable with that, they were also bad guys, so again, meh?

>I fully expect the few high strung gays on this forum to slam me now (it's all they know how to do based on my experience), so knock yourselfs out, I won't be coming back to this thread. Just know that so long as some of us have not gone mad, you will always have road blocks to your path of social destruction. You can call it whatever PC name you want, but crap will alway be crap, and it will always smell bad!

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Bunkey has very much given the correct statement here. The funny thing is that milojthatch leaves his dumpings for all to smell while not wanting to give a damn about the echo. Well, very brave. Still I might say, even if I am not homophobic and do care deeply for any gay person who is a decent person at the same time, I do not need to watch the sexual aspect of homosexuality televised as strongly as for example in "six feet under". I think I stopped watching that show for that aspect. Star Trek, however, could use another angle to implicate the theme. It was said in the beginning of this thread that Star Trek does not need to be revolutionary in everything, well, sure it doesn´t have to be - but it is a contemporary problem, and one that dos divide the masses. In my opinion the Trek would be a suitable place to engage into a serious debate about the normality of homosexuality and how we mere heterosexuals are suppossed to cope with it.


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Vulcan merchant

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Report this Jul. 08 2013, 6:00 pm

and yes, I meant "IDIC"

VORTEX8472

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Report this Jul. 09 2013, 11:47 am

Whoa!!! Serious debate, glad it’s mostly civil; shame on those that have to use distasteful language and rash generalizations to get their points across.


I am by no means a homophobe, as a matter of fact I know several people whom openly identify themselves as "gay" and they are generally decent hardworking people with problems, not unlike the other 7 billion other humans on Earth.  No one person has the right to deny another the pursuit of their personal happiness or peace; that is the beauty of our free and democratic societies (Canada & USA), our common ideals safeguard our birthright to live peacefully however we choose.


 


To address the point of this particular thread, my views are simple and along the lines of what many have said before.  I don’t mind the presence of a “gay” character on Star Trek, as long as it is done in a manner that does that segment of society justice, not showcased every 10 minutes like a cheap gimmick to attract media headlines.  I think as “Star Trek” fans, we can agree that it is and always has been about accepting each other’s differences and learning from our individual strengths/weaknesses and ultimately growing as a race.  

willowtree

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Report this Jul. 09 2013, 12:23 pm

I've said this before in this thread and I think it got lost among the shuffle...but NO romantic relationship was ever highly showcased. Tom and B'Elanna, Jadzia and Worf, Obrien and Keiko, Kira and Odo....they show them kissing here and there but that's about it. So it would be the same thing with a same sex couple. We'd see a kiss once in a while, and maybe possibly see them laying in the same bed together. in this day and age when so many oher tv shows have had gay characters this is hardly socking or new or pushing any boundary.


 


and I still never got an answer from any of the anti gay people on this question....it's clear that you are opposed to a main character being gay. But what about a recurring/guest character? Someone like Vorik on Voyager, he was only in like 5 episodes.


and yes sometimes in a tv show that you generally like there are aspects that you don't like. For some that may  be the presence of a gay character, but hopefully the rest of the show is engaging enough for you to ignore that one aspect. Take DS9 for example. I have a strong dislike of religion, and DS9 is quite heavy with it. But the rest of the show is good enough for me to overlook those scenes, but still enjoy the rest of the show.

Vulcan merchant

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Report this Jul. 09 2013, 8:20 pm

Vortex8572 ... ehm ... free and democratic societies ... Canada, sure, the U.S., well, you had the chance of becoming the thing you so eagerly want us to believe you are ... but you went other ways. Europe is the last stand ... I hope it never falls. Having said that I hope the discussion theme does not shift.


I agree that in a normal Star Trek series any theme would be handled not exhaustively, but rather to frame an issue while showing common life situations. Maybe the new administration would find a way to make the issue a cheap gimmick I am afraid.

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Report this Jul. 10 2013, 8:46 am

Quote: bunkey @ Jun. 26 2013, 7:53 am

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>In related news. DOMA has been overturned as unconstitutional!

>Progress marches forward! It will not be stopped. Love is Love.

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I saw this coming back during the prop 8 campaign.  For that matter, so did my Mormon bishop bro-in-law (he's a  smart, good guy and a realist). 


As long as it's not promoted in elementary schools and religious institutions are left alone, I'm personally fine with it.  I wish the country had gone with the civil union route, but whatever.  The sky won't fall down, that is, I don't think the impact on society will be significant, and equal rights and tolerance is what this country's supposed to be about.  The debate/issue is over.  Let's all go back to trying to be excellent to each other. 


 


KHAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!

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