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Why do starfleet starship may have do miltiery misson have children on them

Jason222

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Report this May. 12 2013, 2:08 pm

It never made even the smallest amount of sense to me. USS Enterpise D or any starship send into battle could be destory. They often have short notice if going to need for a fire fight or not. This does even go in fact expore all type danger include disease and so on. My question why does starfleet allow family on board with children at least few time ship going to be used for war.

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Report this May. 12 2013, 8:57 pm

I guess it's a "board at your own risk" kind of thing. Starfleet officers can bring their families with them, but only if they're aware of the dangers and willing to accept them.


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Report this May. 12 2013, 10:45 pm

Technically, Starfleet is not a military ship but an exploration ship. There is the idea that not only are they out for a long time, but also on the cutting edge of scientific advancement. So there may be more of a "civilian population" than would be expected on a modern warship.


Having famlies onboard is probably like Mitch said: its at your own risk.


 

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Report this May. 13 2013, 5:45 am

IIRC, that very thing was stated on-screen more than once.


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Report this May. 13 2013, 8:41 am

Starfleet is millitary. Regardless of their charter and their high-sounding words, they are absolutely millitary.


-They report through the government (UFP) and have staff members on the Federation President's cabinet.


-They have heavily armed starships, starbases, personnel and vehicles...some capable of massive destruction.


-They have a rank system of officers and enlisted personnel.


-They have a service academy (Starfleet Academy)


-They drill and teach defensive tactics and strategies


-They are tasked with keeping the peace and defending the Federation in times of conflict or war.


So, I think it's a bit silly to think of them as non-millitary. "What Gene wanted" and all that notwithstanding...reality is more important than words.

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Report this May. 13 2013, 11:27 am

I have to disagree. Defense is a part of their mission, but not all of it. Starfleet has ships whose entire mission is exploration. Starfleet seems to do a great deal of diplomacy, trade negotiation, transport, scientific research, medical aid, colonization, colony maintenance, star charting, communications...


Starfleet is much more of an all-purpose organziation than a military. Yes, some of its ships are responsible for defense - especially the ones interesting enough to get featured on screen - but it's much much more than that.

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Report this May. 13 2013, 11:29 am

SF was quasi-military. I imagine the larger ships that had diplomatic/military/exploration capabilities and duties would be the equivalent of military installations in real life. Some military installations, at least in the U.S., allow families to live with the member on Post. The member may be deployed or moved around but the family members have designated housing and civilian areas and amenities to access.


Why would they bring their families? Every assignment wasn't specifically dangerous but could require long periods of time away from "home". To my knowledge SF was all volunteer. Folks like Kirk, Picard, and Janeway may have devoted their lives to SF sans spouse or children but many others like Sisko, Sulu and O'Brien wanted and had a family. If SF wanted the best and the brightest to enlist or become officers they had to offer some type of work/life balance.


Also, the Enterprise was placed in harm's way a lot not because it was standard for all SF crews but because the SPECIFIC crew and captain had a track record for achieving results in difficult circumstances.


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Report this May. 13 2013, 2:32 pm

The Xindi, V'ger, the Whale Probe,
the Borg and many others have proven
that not even Mother Earth is safe haven.


Starbases, both in space and on the ground, are
Legitimate Military Targets in war - and episodes,
like the one with the Gorn, emphasized that many
civilian women and children live in such facilities.


If I were in STARFLEET, I would consider my family
INFINITELY safer on a Galaxy Class Starship - mobile,
armoured and armed to the teeth - than on any base.


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Report this May. 13 2013, 2:47 pm

My theory Is That They Made Enterprise-D So Large,There Was room for Family; If it were Up To Me, I'd Rather Have A Battalion Of StarFleet Marines On Board.

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Report this May. 13 2013, 4:15 pm

Quote: Fleet Admiral Braxton @ May. 13 2013, 2:47 pm

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>My theory Is That They Made Enterprise-D So Large,There Was room for Family; If it were Up To Me, I'd Rather Have A Battalion Of StarFleet Marines On Board.

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That's one thing I didn't understand - why weren't there a strong detachment detachment to support the mission if/when needed.

Holo

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Report this May. 13 2013, 6:54 pm

Well the TNG premiere took place during a period relalative peace for the Federation (until the Fed/Cardy war was retconned in). It would have completely ruined the atmosphere of the show to remove the families and replace them with marines.


 


I'm sure Starfleet has ships with ground assault troops on them, but that's not the mission of the Enteprise-D. She's the Flagship and her mission is exploration. Says so right there in the opening credits!

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Report this May. 13 2013, 8:15 pm

Yes the USS Enterpise D did exploration and only deal real threat to UFP. However not like exporerment did not having own dangers. Pratice exploration is just little less dangers then war. USS Enterpise D often wieght for months being range able to get help. Tons of things nearly get USS Enterpise D nearly destory while she exporation UFP terrioiry. Longer number Starfleet ship lose exporaring areas been unexporated. How many science and research ships entire crew kill in TOS and TNG. I kind lost count. Even if all the USS Enterpise D was doing exporation and science and research misson still send children into harms ways.

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Report this May. 14 2013, 9:26 am

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Well the TNG premiere took place during a period relalative peace for the Federation (until the Fed/Cardy war was retconned in). It would have completely ruined the atmosphere of the show to remove the families and replace them with marines.


 


I'm sure Starfleet has ships with ground assault troops on them, but that's not the mission of the Enteprise-D. She's the Flagship and her mission is exploration. Says so right there in the opening credits!


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I think you miss the point I was trying to make in my previous post.


Of COURSE we know that the mission of the Enterprise is exploration. Of course we know that Starfleet has a multi-purpose charter. I get all that. I watch the shows too, you know!



The point I am trying to make that words are words. Mission statements are mission statements. All that is wonderfull, and high-sounding, etc...but none of it trumps REALITY.


The reality is that Starfleet IS millitary. Maybe not "millitary" by the definition we in the early 21st Century know it as...but "millitary" nonetheless. The bottom line is that no matter what bold sweeping proclamations are made about exploriation and diplomacy...if a force attacks the UFP, Starfleet is the body that will swing into action and act. That's MILLITARY (and all the other reasons I listed before).


I totally agree with you though that having "marines" on board the Enterprise would have been lame and stupid...Just like how I felt about it on ENT with the MACOS or whatever they were called. That's not the focus of the show.

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Report this May. 14 2013, 9:29 am

Quote: Jason222 @ May. 13 2013, 8:15 pm

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>Yes the USS Enterpise D did exploration and only deal real threat to UFP. However not like exporerment did not having own dangers. Pratice exploration is just little less dangers then war. USS Enterpise D often wieght for months being range able to get help. Tons of things nearly get USS Enterpise D nearly destory while she exporation UFP terrioiry. Longer number Starfleet ship lose exporaring areas been unexporated. How many science and research ships entire crew kill in TOS and TNG. I kind lost count. Even if all the USS Enterpise D was doing exporation and science and research misson still send children into harms ways.

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I think the bottom line has already been answered. The ships with families aboard were done as "at risk" situations that those family members willingly signed up for.


It's one of the reasons that the Enterprise and similarly-designed ships were build to seperate (a concept that was never really explored as it should have been in TNG because of the budget limitations). If a dangerous mission presented itself, the ship was supposed to send the stardrive section into those missions while the saucer remained a "safe haven" for families and non-essential personnel.


It's one of the very (VERY) few things I find wrong with DS9. The Saratoga would have off-loaded their family compliment prior to engaging the Borg at Wolf 359. Jennifer Sisko and Jake would never have been on that ship in reality.


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Report this May. 16 2013, 7:09 pm

In pratice they never seem to even once try taking off none essential personel when they going into conflict on the USS Enterpise D openly know it to.

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