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The problems with making a new Star Trek series

dandeman1

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Report this May. 13 2013, 11:43 pm

There are many ideas out there in regards to how a new series should be.  I would go with a more obvious route, since the new movie is possibly leading to a Klingon and Federation War, how about the new series be about a Star Ship that is on three points of the neutral zone: Federation Romulan and Klingon. This would bring out political debates, possible battles, intrigue, spies, and drama. Thast where I would go with it since Paramount going with the alternate timeline, this series can compliment the movie and have it lead up to the 50th aniversay spectacular

drobiggirl

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Report this Jul. 20 2013, 3:07 pm

We have come up with a Star Trek involving twenty or more new species, exploring parts of the galaxy previously ignored, and venturing into Andromeda, playing new horizons in inventions and rules of science, covering a wide range of Earth controversies on typical Star Trek style. Our problem? Getting this pitched to CBS, and finding the funding to keep the dream alive. Suggestions welcome.

kevin.nelson.1291

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Report this Jul. 21 2013, 4:40 pm

I agree that there are a lot of problems that must be overcome if a new Star Trek series is to be made, but I think that it could be done after the current chain of movies begins to wrap up, with a few conditions.


1. More action- not neccessarily action-based storylines, but episodes should feature something more exciting than shaking the camera and firing phasers twice.


2. Set in the relative future- as in after the events of TNG, DS9, and Voyager. It doesn't matter if it's three years or three-hundred years later on, but technology needs to become more advanced, and not look comparitively primitive like Enterprise did.


3. Prime universe- A potential deal-breaker for old fans, and new fans won't care very much.


4. Ongoing plotlines- something more than two-part episodes, but it doesn't have to be like the last two seasons of DS9. The "alien of the week" set-up is running dry, and can't be used to provide the majority of episodes.


5. Something different- I think that the show should still be set on a Federation ship, but it could have characteristics unlike first-class vessels like the Enterprises or the Defiant (a mobile embassy? a long-range freighter? a vessel designed for extended first-contact interactions?) Honestly I'm not sure what this change should be, but we need something different to make sure a new show doesn't become a rehash.

johnd777

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Report this Jul. 25 2013, 5:53 pm

Jonathan talked me out of a revamped Trek more along the lines of Galaxy Trek or Star Trek Universe where the quantum warp lensing to other galaxies (even the ends of the universe) in seconds would produce the same formula aliens with rubber heads and woll clothing...  True. As I said then I say again, thanks, for keeping my feet on the ground because my head was in the clouds.


Taking on JJ's ideas for reboot however (and Elementary and Battlestar Galactica reboot) casting females in former male roles giving them something to do other than hiding behind males for protecting showing their skin or ooing and ahing everything a man hefts over his head...


VOY attempted it but there was something too cheesy about the show. Janeway Torres and even 7 were supposed to be break the mold / stereotype females...


This was what I had in mind with continuing in JJ's universe reboot...


But ENT did an episode with Merryweathers' homeship SS Horizon and the ways of merchant shipping before warp 5 engines were invented (on earth at least)... would produce a very romantic time (romance is not only about sex and mushy stuff, btw... it was what the old merchant marines recalled in revery the days when "it was just us out there..." nobody else to call for help...


 


Anyway I believe there could be interest in Pre-TOS even pre-ENT.


I thought Berman and Braga were geniuses btw.


 


 


 


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Pooneil

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Report this Jul. 25 2013, 9:25 pm

Quote: kevin.nelson.1291 @ Jul. 21 2013, 4:40 pm

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>I agree that there are a lot of problems that must be overcome if a new Star Trek series is to be made, but I think that it could be done after the current chain of movies begins to wrap up, with a few conditions.

>1. More action- not neccessarily action-based storylines, but episodes should feature something more exciting than shaking the camera and firing phasers twice.

>2. Set in the relative future- as in after the events of TNG, DS9, and Voyager. It doesn't matter if it's three years or three-hundred years later on, but technology needs to become more advanced, and not look comparitively primitive like Enterprise did.

>3. Prime universe- A potential deal-breaker for old fans, and new fans won't care very much.

>4. Ongoing plotlines- something more than two-part episodes, but it doesn't have to be like the last two seasons of DS9. The "alien of the week" set-up is running dry, and can't be used to provide the majority of episodes.

>5. Something different- I think that the show should still be set on a Federation ship, but it could have characteristics unlike first-class vessels like the Enterprises or the Defiant (a mobile embassy? a long-range freighter? a vessel designed for extended first-contact interactions?) Honestly I'm not sure what this change should be, but we need something different to make sure a new show doesn't become a rehash.

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I had an idea that it would be neat to look back to the voyages of Charles Darwin: to have a Starfleet ship with civilian crewmembers on a long-term mission of exploration into the unknown. You could have scientists, an ambassador, and various other Federation envoys who don't wear Starfleet uniforms. It would use the same basic Star Trek formula, but with a few tweaks and a little extra room for conflict among the characters. The cast would be split evenly between Starfleet and civilians. The "ongoing plotline" would be more of an ongoing subplot, as the ship explored a region of space and perhaps developed a bigger story as the show went on.


I figured this would be more like Lewis and Clark, Captain Cook, and other classic explorers.

kevin.nelson.1291

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Report this Jul. 25 2013, 11:46 pm

Quote: Pooneil @ Jul. 25 2013, 9:25 pm

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>I had an idea that it would be neat to look back to the voyages of Charles Darwin: to have a Starfleet ship with civilian crewmembers on a long-term mission of exploration into the unknown. You could have scientists, an ambassador, and various other Federation envoys who don't wear Starfleet uniforms. It would use the same basic Star Trek formula, but with a few tweaks and a little extra room for conflict among the characters. The cast would be split evenly between Starfleet and civilians. The "ongoing plotline" would be more of an ongoing subplot, as the ship explored a region of space and perhaps developed a bigger story as the show went on.

>I figured this would be more like Lewis and Clark, Captain Cook, and other classic explorers.

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I think a general premise like that would be pretty good, and the non-Starfleet characters could come from far-flung Federation worlds whose species haven't been seen before. But I think that returning to a structure of episodic exploration would be wasted potential. Perhaps a balance could be struck between the two. For instance, maybe a new treaty with the Romulans abolishes the Neutral Zone, and the Federation eagerly sends ships to explore previously unreachable areas close to their own borders. An ambassador is sent along to make sure that relations with the Romulans stay amiable, and while the Starfleet crew wants to continue discovering, they know that if the Romulans turn hostile, they will be on the front line. This would allow both stand-alone and interconnected plots, which would probably result in the highest quality programming.

lalejosm

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Report this Jul. 26 2013, 8:11 am

I would like to see Sulu commanding the Excelsior. Beginning with how he get there, and have the posibility to mix the original people with the future one (remeber tuvok was there).

Pooneil

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Report this Jul. 26 2013, 9:32 am

Quote: kevin.nelson.1291 @ Jul. 25 2013, 11:46 pm

Quote: Pooneil @ Jul. 25 2013, 9:25 pm

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>I had an idea that it would be neat to look back to the voyages of Charles Darwin: to have a Starfleet ship with civilian crewmembers on a long-term mission of exploration into the unknown. You could have scientists, an ambassador, and various other Federation envoys who don't wear Starfleet uniforms. It would use the same basic Star Trek formula, but with a few tweaks and a little extra room for conflict among the characters. The cast would be split evenly between Starfleet and civilians. The "ongoing plotline" would be more of an ongoing subplot, as the ship explored a region of space and perhaps developed a bigger story as the show went on.

>I figured this would be more like Lewis and Clark, Captain Cook, and other classic explorers.

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I think a general premise like that would be pretty good, and the non-Starfleet characters could come from far-flung Federation worlds whose species haven't been seen before. But I think that returning to a structure of episodic exploration would be wasted potential. Perhaps a balance could be struck between the two. For instance, maybe a new treaty with the Romulans abolishes the Neutral Zone, and the Federation eagerly sends ships to explore previously unreachable areas close to their own borders. An ambassador is sent along to make sure that relations with the Romulans stay amiable, and while the Starfleet crew wants to continue discovering, they know that if the Romulans turn hostile, they will be on the front line. This would allow both stand-alone and interconnected plots, which would probably result in the highest quality programming.


Sure. I thought it would be best to avoid a serialized format from the start -- launching the series with an involved story like the Xindi arc would lose too many viewers -- but to gradually build up different subplots, in the way that "Doctor Who" and "Buffy: The Vampire Slayer" did. There would be a continuous thread holding a season's worth of stories together, but with enough room for stand-alone episodes and none of the "continuity lockout" that plagues shows like "Lost".


This way a new series could continue in the tradition of previous Treks while still setting itself apart. We could still have a ship exploring space, but with the added bonus of an ongoing subplot -- with Romulans, or some other antagonist, it wouldn't really matter. They could take an old Star Trek standby, the false god, and use him as an enemy for multiple episodes. He would show up early on, but his role would gradually get bigger and more important until he's revealed to be the show's villain -- at least for a season. Each season would have a different plot.

Grimmturd

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Report this Jul. 30 2013, 5:06 am

I recently finished watching DS9 again and cannot help but think of so many storyline possibilities that can come from a series based around a Trill. The whole symbiote/host life which ultimately makes the person nearly immortal, they previous hosts having lived through so many experiences and connecting with potentially endless other species, the fact that they are so close to Terrans in their appearance and physiological compatibility, and icing on the cake is that I don't think there has been a single unattractive Trill in any media. When I watched the show again, I was really thinking of how a video game could work around a Trill protagonist (or anti-hero), but a show would work, too, considering they seem to just be humans with spots and extra room inside for a worm.


Kahless said "Great men do not seek power. They have power thrust upon them."

Pooneil

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Report this Jul. 30 2013, 9:30 am

Quote: Grimmturd @ Jul. 30 2013, 5:06 am

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>I recently finished watching DS9 again and cannot help but think of so many storyline possibilities that can come from a series based around a Trill. The whole symbiote/host life which ultimately makes the person nearly immortal, they previous hosts having lived through so many experiences and connecting with potentially endless other species, the fact that they are so close to Terrans in their appearance and physiological compatibility, and icing on the cake is that I don't think there has been a single unattractive Trill in any media. When I watched the show again, I was really thinking of how a video game could work around a Trill protagonist (or anti-hero), but a show would work, too, considering they seem to just be humans with spots and extra room inside for a worm.

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It would be a Trek version of "Doctor Who". You could recast the main character as many times as you needed just by transferring the worm to a different host.

Grimmturd

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Report this Jul. 30 2013, 4:51 pm

The Trill race in DS9 reminded me of an idea for a new Highlander tv series I thought about a while back. I know even less about the Highlander canon, but the 'absorbing of abilities' that comes with the "quickening" each immortal receives when beheading another, I don't know if it was just their combat prowess and martial skill that was inherited or if any other parts of the defeated persons previous life were also taken, I can't say for certain. But the idea was that the show would perhaps follow a predictable relative of the movies/series (the McClouds?) and then just kill them off at the end of the first episode or 2. The show would then just follow the victor for an undetermined length, and they are likely not the same personality or even moral alignment of the assumed original protagonist. Maybe even bring in some A-List actor for an episode or 2 (maybe even just several minutes, to hook the viewer) and then off them from some wild-card shlubb of an immortal to keep the unpredictable nature of the show going. I get tired of seeing so many heroes and protagonists. The Sopranos and Breaking Bad did great work at the "hate to love" or "love to hate" characters. I know Star Trek is, in it's core, a series of episodic morality plays that examine the human condition, but those messages can come across to the viewer in many ways. Individual Interpretation Inspires Infinite Imagination.


Kahless said "Great men do not seek power. They have power thrust upon them."

JoCat

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Report this Jul. 30 2013, 8:35 pm

There are alot of creative ideas here. I think the real issue is that CBS and others in charge just don't want to give it a try.

AdmiralMG

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Report this Jul. 30 2013, 11:21 pm

I wish we could time travel back to the 90s when Trek was popular and on the air all the time, and fans like me could feel special watching Star Trek. I just want to experience that feeling again.


The line must be drawn here....and no further!

rob39874

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Report this Jul. 31 2013, 1:58 am

Quote: JoCat @ Jul. 30 2013, 8:35 pm

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>There are alot of creative ideas here. I think the real issue is that CBS and others in charge just don't want to give it a try.

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Thats not the case if a new series was commisioned CBS and Paramount would need to join together which would mean a lot of money to do rather than a movie which works out cheaper in the long run. Also JJ doesnt want anything to clash with his precious jj trek. So that another reason it will not be done at the moment

sinfultictac

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Report this Jul. 31 2013, 5:14 am

The Federation/ Romulan War 


We saw how it started and we know how it ended 


We never actually got to see it. 


 


Federation in the far future falling to pieces because it is balancing the need of being empire with needs of being a scinece fleet. 


 


 

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