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May. 08 2013, 6:01 am
Quote: Vger23 @ May. 06 2013, 8:18 pm | >Also it's not exactly fear of change. The change has happened. We're living it and have been since May 2009. It's more like failure to accept change and deep resentment that the narrow vision THEY have of Star Trek is gone and will not return. |
Sounds like those that didn't support Enterprise.
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May. 08 2013, 11:27 am
Quote: Utopia Planetia @ May. 07 2013, 8:50 pm | >
>Persecuting me? Hahah, more internet nonsense. Crusade, behavior, hate. These are internet comments about a movie. If anyone of any opinion thinks any of this warrants the level of hand-wringing and attention you and others give to it, some perspective is in order. I'd start with a long, leisurely walk.
>Finally, I see that you all want to discuss a phenomenon you've all noticed and that interests each of you. So I won't disturb by interjecting my differing positions any further. Happy theorizing and good luck.
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I don't even know what point you're trying to make here. Maybe my reading comprehension is to blame. I don't know.
So, YOU come into a thread, make two completely off-topic and non-productive posts that are defensive in nature, and you're blaming participants of this thread for losing prespective and needing to calm down?
What am I missing here?
Nobody attacked you. Nobody said that not liking these or any other films was unacceptable. There IS, however, a discussion about people who take it personally and spiral down into negativity and shameful behavior. Are you one of these people and therefore had a nerve rubbed wrong by this...or are you just missing the point (I ask for the 2nd time)?

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May. 08 2013, 11:37 am
Quote: DS9_FOREVER! @ May. 08 2013, 6:01 am | Quote: Vger23 @ May. 06 2013, 8:18 pm | >
>Also it's not exactly fear of change. The change has happened. We're living it and have been since May 2009. It's more like failure to accept change and deep resentment that the narrow vision THEY have of Star Trek is gone and will not return. |
Sounds like those that didn't support Enterprise.
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Not exactly.
There were people who "didn't support Enterprise" because they flat out didn't really like it. There's nothing wrong with that. I can't say I liked it very much either to be frank. So, why tune in every week to something that doesn't entertain you? I'd give it a shot because I'm a Trek fan. I'd watch 6-8 episodes per season, just to make sure I'm not being ridiculous...but I wasn't going to carry the "Enterprise" flag if it didn't do anything for me. I suspect others feel the same about many other various elements of the franchise.
But, then there were the people who openly attacked Enterprise and bad-mouthed it and argued to death about how it sucked at every available opportunity. That's a completely different story, and is more like what we're talking about here. So, to further the "Enterprise" example and relate it to me personally...just because I didn't like ENT much...I wasn't out there bitching and complaining about it and calling for people's heads and it's death. It's still part of the franchise I love, and there are fans who DID/DO like it very much. Why would I want to be part of tearing that down?? Just because I personally don't like it? That's not a good reason and is extremely selfish, entitled behavior.
Nobody should have to like something they don't particularly connect with. But, taking it to the next level (which is what this post that AtoZ started here is all about) is the embarassment.
They are both very different and very seperate things. One is perfectly normal, especially in a 47-year old franchise with 100's and 100's of hours of entertainment to pick and choose from. The other is the behavior of insecure, entitled droolmonkeys.
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May. 08 2013, 12:18 pm
Quote: Vger23 @ May. 08 2013, 11:37 am | Quote: DS9_FOREVER! @ May. 08 2013, 6:01 am | Quote: Vger23 @ May. 06 2013, 8:18 pm | >
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>Also it's not exactly fear of change. The change has happened. We're living it and have been since May 2009. It's more like failure to accept change and deep resentment that the narrow vision THEY have of Star Trek is gone and will not return. |
Sounds like those that didn't support Enterprise.
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Not exactly.
There were people who "didn't support Enterprise" because they flat out didn't really like it. There's nothing wrong with that. I can't say I liked it very much either to be frank. So, why tune in every week to something that doesn't entertain you? I'd give it a shot because I'm a Trek fan. I'd watch 6-8 episodes per season, just to make sure I'm not being ridiculous...but I wasn't going to carry the "Enterprise" flag if it didn't do anything for me. I suspect others feel the same about many other various elements of the franchise.
But, then there were the people who openly attacked Enterprise and bad-mouthed it and argued to death about how it sucked at every available opportunity. That's a completely different story, and is more like what we're talking about here. So, to further the "Enterprise" example and relate it to me personally...just because I didn't like ENT much...I wasn't out there bitching and complaining about it and calling for people's heads and it's death. It's still part of the franchise I love, and there are fans who DID/DO like it very much. Why would I want to be part of tearing that down?? Just because I personally don't like it? That's not a good reason and is extremely selfish, entitled behavior.
Nobody should have to like something they don't particularly connect with. But, taking it to the next level (which is what this post that AtoZ started here is all about) is the embarassment.
They are both very different and very seperate things. One is perfectly normal, especially in a 47-year old franchise with 100's and 100's of hours of entertainment to pick and choose from. The other is the behavior of insecure, entitled droolmonkeys.
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Yeah, I can't stand Voyager. Hardly ever do you see me in the voyager forum picking it apart and ranting about plot holes. That would be crazy. What do I care if other people like it? that, and to do so I'd have to watch it. 
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May. 08 2013, 12:56 pm
Quote: Vger23 @ May. 08 2013, 11:37 am | Quote: DS9_FOREVER! @ May. 08 2013, 6:01 am | Quote: Vger23 @ May. 06 2013, 8:18 pm | >
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>Also it's not exactly fear of change. The change has happened. We're living it and have been since May 2009. It's more like failure to accept change and deep resentment that the narrow vision THEY have of Star Trek is gone and will not return. |
Sounds like those that didn't support Enterprise.
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Not exactly.
There were people who "didn't support Enterprise" because they flat out didn't really like it. There's nothing wrong with that. I can't say I liked it very much either to be frank. So, why tune in every week to something that doesn't entertain you? I'd give it a shot because I'm a Trek fan. I'd watch 6-8 episodes per season, just to make sure I'm not being ridiculous...but I wasn't going to carry the "Enterprise" flag if it didn't do anything for me. I suspect others feel the same about many other various elements of the franchise.
But, then there were the people who openly attacked Enterprise and bad-mouthed it and argued to death about how it sucked at every available opportunity. That's a completely different story, and is more like what we're talking about here. So, to further the "Enterprise" example and relate it to me personally...just because I didn't like ENT much...I wasn't out there bitching and complaining about it and calling for people's heads and it's death. It's still part of the franchise I love, and there are fans who DID/DO like it very much. Why would I want to be part of tearing that down?? Just because I personally don't like it? That's not a good reason and is extremely selfish, entitled behavior.
Nobody should have to like something they don't particularly connect with. But, taking it to the next level (which is what this post that AtoZ started here is all about) is the embarassment.
They are both very different and very seperate things. One is perfectly normal, especially in a 47-year old franchise with 100's and 100's of hours of entertainment to pick and choose from. The other is the behavior of insecure, entitled droolmonkeys.
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My point you alluded to in your second paragraph.
Many that scorned it had the preconceived notions on how it had to be. When it wasn't that, they ripped it apart.
Very narrow vision.
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May. 08 2013, 3:19 pm
The original pilot "The Cage" was rejected by NBC as "too cerebral".
Thank gods JJ Abrams has solved that problem.
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May. 08 2013, 3:32 pm
Quote: bunkey @ May. 08 2013, 3:19 pm | >
>The original pilot "The Cage" was rejected by NBC as "too cerebral".
>Thank gods JJ Abrams has solved that problem.
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Probably the most profound statement on these forums.
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