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Why do Zealous Fan Boys Wish for Failure?

AtoZ2

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Report this May. 05 2013, 3:06 pm

Why do Zealous Fan Boys Wish for Failure?


I often wonder what's really at the heart of their arguments?


What kind of mind set does one have to have to spew so much hate, distorted views and twisted speculations over a completely fictional world where any thing and every thing has happened in one form or another over the last 45 plus years?


 


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OneDamnMinuteAdmiral

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Report this May. 05 2013, 5:06 pm

I think it is a fear of change. One can always say that it is writing or acting, or whatever, and they may believe that and that is fine. However, the new movie is no more better or worse than other things that have come before, they just made it more action oriented, and for a summer movie that is what it has to be. All the morality plays do a lot better on TV. At least someone still wants to make Star Trek, I mean it could be out in the Sci-Fi franchise junkyard that noone cares about anymore.


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Report this May. 06 2013, 2:18 am

I want sucess. for any project.  JJ is medocre at best.  Why hand the reins of a sucessful franchise to a lackluster director?   I would put JJ on the same page as Michael Bay;  lots of mindless action/explosions, little to no character or story.   Just add glitter to mediorcer..and you have mediocre with a lot of glitter.

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Report this May. 06 2013, 7:29 am

They are like toddlers who think if they scream loud enough they can get what they want:  more burgandy jumpsuits. 


I can understand somewhat where they are coming from.  I felt the exact same way when I first heard about TNG.  It sounded like the worst idea ever.  Or even when I saw TMP on opening night.  I left almost in tears because the movie was so very boring and un trek like.  But you know what? never in a million years would I have railed against it and tell other people they shouldn't like it.  Or try to ruin their enjoyment of it.  Or even spend hours of my time focusing such negativity on something just because it wasn't my cup of tea. 


 



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Report this May. 06 2013, 4:44 pm

If they disliked it because of the directing style or the tone or anything like that it wouldn't be a big deal. But from what I've seen on this board and others, it's just because they don't like that it's "new". And that makes me sad, because Star Trek fans of all people should appreciate IDIC. They're like Captain Kirk in TUC: unable to accept change, even when it's clearly better than what we had before.


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fireproof78

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Report this May. 06 2013, 8:11 pm

I wonder this myself. I get not liking the movie-not your thing, and that's ok.


But, I get tired of the arguement that it's "Not Star Trek" but give no definition of what Star Trek is. Is it like obsenity where you can't define it but know it when you see it?


Also, people claim there is no story or characters but I keep finding them in Abrams movie...what am I seeing that others are not.


Or, what are they seeing that I am not.


Fear of change? yeah, I totally believe that and it frustrates me

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Report this May. 06 2013, 8:14 pm

You all hit the nail on the head:

Immaturity
Insecurity
Misguided "loyalty"
Entitlement
Exclusivity
Narrow-mindedness
Self-centeredness
Lack of anything better to feel passionate about

Remember- this list is NOT for people who simply don't like the films. Everyone has their unique tastes. This is addressing the loonyfans who actually hope for failure and who make it personal between themselves and the production team.

I feel bad for those people they used to make me angry, but now it's just depressing.

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Report this May. 06 2013, 8:18 pm

Also it's not exactly fear of change. The change has happened. We're living it and have been since May 2009. It's more like failure to accept change and deep resentment that the narrow vision THEY have of Star Trek is gone and will not return.

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Report this May. 07 2013, 3:27 am


 


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Report this May. 07 2013, 10:54 am

Honestly, I think a lot of the most rabid and vocal fans have a tenuous grasp on reality. They become so engrossed in the fantasy that it becomes their life. It gives them meaning and purpose. Any deviation from their perceived "truth" elicits an angry, sometimes violent, response.


It's no different that any other kind of zealotry. It becomes an "us" vs "them" situation.


What tickles me the most is how some of them have elevated Roddenberry to damn near prophet status.


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Utopia Planetia

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Report this May. 07 2013, 12:16 pm

Why are some of yall so threatened and offended by someone saying they don't like a movie you enjoyed? It's almost as if you think if they say the movie sucks and is stupid, that by implication, you must suck and be stupid too because you liked the movie.


I think the whole thing is silly, including these dumb threads -- 'why, oh, why are they so mean to this movie that I love?!' Does anyone care? If you and I write mean words on the internet, and no paramount staffer is around to read them, do they make a difference? Only to people who are silly enough to take viewers' opinions written on the internet as personal attacks, or project onto them some kind of market-moving significance. There is none.


When I read posters here say the 2009 star trek movie was great, I think to myself, 'wow, they have bad taste in movies.' But I certainly don't imagine that you, random viewers and internet commenters, are going to ruin star trek as we know it because you happened to write a stray complimentary comment on the internet.


You like bad movies. Big deal. You think I'm rigid, curmudgeonly, and snotty RE: star trek. More power to you. Who cares?


If a tree falls in a forest and only you and and your best friend are nearby, you can debate all day whether it made a sound or not. No one else could care less. That's what this is. You've voluntarily involved yourself in internet navel gazing and tit for tats that are only significant to you and the others playing along. The only reason you think mean words on the internet are sabotaging the future of science fiction TV and film is because you keep coming back to read them. Turn off your PC and you'll find that all that zealous sabotage disappears.

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Report this May. 07 2013, 2:24 pm

There are two kinds of haters:


One is the group who do fit the profile mentioned above. They may be obsessive, scared of change, "entitled", grandiose, all that. I think a subset of these do genuinely wish for failure.


The others subset are those who simply didn't like the movie -- and although they run the gamut from just "I don't like this movie" to genuine hate, their viewpoint is 100% valid.


I hate the Kubrick movie 2001 (and its sequel)! I really do. I found them both to be tedious and stupid. My opinion is valid. There are others who love the 2001 movie, and thought it was cinematic genius. Their opinion is valid too.


What rubs me the wrong way is when someone insults another person for having a different opinion to them with regard to a movie -- whatever that opinion might be. This works just as well for "JJ IS A GEEN-YU-US N HOW CAN U NOT LIKE?!" as "JJ SUX BALZ N U CAN'T SEE THAT-- STUPID!"


I think there is an element of "told you so", and some people who hate the movie absolutely long to be able to say it. It's a natural human reaction, one that it would help people greatly to get over it-- Chill. It's just a movie.


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Report this May. 07 2013, 5:32 pm

Quote: Utopia Planetia @ May. 07 2013, 12:16 pm

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>Why are some of yall so threatened and offended by someone saying they don't like a movie you enjoyed? It's almost as if you think if they say the movie sucks and is stupid, that by implication, you must suck and be stupid too because you liked the movie.

>I think the whole thing is silly, including these dumb threads -- 'why, oh, why are they so mean to this movie that I love?!' Does anyone care? If you and I write mean words on the internet, and no paramount staffer is around to read them, do they make a difference? Only to people who are silly enough to take viewers' opinions written on the internet as personal attacks, or project onto them some kind of market-moving significance. There is none.

>When I read posters here say the 2009 star trek movie was great, I think to myself, 'wow, they have bad taste in movies.' But I certainly don't imagine that you, random viewers and internet commenters, are going to ruin star trek as we know it because you happened to write a stray complimentary comment on the internet.

>You like bad movies. Big deal. You think I'm rigid, curmudgeonly, and snotty RE: star trek. More power to you. Who cares?

>If a tree falls in a forest and only you and and your best friend are nearby, you can debate all day whether it made a sound or not. No one else could care less. That's what this is. You've voluntarily involved yourself in internet navel gazing and tit for tats that are only significant to you and the others playing along. The only reason you think mean words on the internet are sabotaging the future of science fiction TV and film is because you keep coming back to read them. Turn off your PC and you'll find that all that zealous sabotage disappears.

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You somehow missed the entire point of the thread.


 


It has nothing to do with people who don't like the JJ Abrams movies. Nothing at all. That's fine. Everyone's entitled to an opinion and Star Trek is so vast that there are bound to be likes and dislikes within the franchise. I have my own, believe me.


 


The point is losers who actually take it to the next step and go on a crusade of hatred and ridiculous behavior, HOPING that this version of Trek fails and saying rude and hateful things about the creative team. 


 


One is fine, natural, understandable and even expected behavior.


The other is the behavior of a loser. 


 


There's a distinct difference. So relax. Nobody was presecuting you or trying to force you to believe something that you don't want to believe. Like you said, we could care less what you think. The dislike for the films is a vocal but insignificant minority not worth fighting with. 


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Utopia Planetia

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Report this May. 07 2013, 8:50 pm

Persecuting me? Hahah, more internet nonsense.

Crusade, behavior, hate. These are internet comments about a movie. If anyone of any opinion thinks any of this warrants the level of hand-wringing and attention you and others give to it, some perspective is in order. I'd start with a long, leisurely walk.


Finally, I see that you all want to discuss a phenomenon you've all noticed and that interests each of you. So I won't disturb by interjecting my differing positions any further. Happy theorizing and good luck.

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Report this May. 07 2013, 11:31 pm

Here's my thing: tell me why it is a bad movie. Tell me why it is bad Star Trek and give me reasons. I don't care if you don't like the movie but at least give me something to work with.


I don't the rampaging hate against Abrams and crew. I can kind of understand the describing Star Trek 09 as "not Star Trek" as I felt the same way when I watched Star Wars: Episode 1. Fun movie, but not really a Star Wars movie to me, and I still feel that way. So, if that is your feeling, great and I wish you well. We here on the internet do not support or condone any other opinion but our own


 


But, when not liking the movie turns to hate, or the hatred is for trivial reasons, it kind of makes me go   because then I feel like people are just hating for hates sake (insert Khan reference here}

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