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Court is in SESSION- To convict JJ Abrams of Trek Treason

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gordojays

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Report this May. 13 2013, 12:06 pm

Don't forget the Star Date screw up and the fact that Khan is from India.  This Khan does not look like he is from India.


 


The ship, looks to 21st century in engineering.  u

stovokor2000-A

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Report this May. 13 2013, 1:48 pm

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 13 2013, 3:26 am

>>1. Objection ! Trek comics and novels has been here BEFORE  Abrams' idiotic movie..


are you not reading what I posted?I'm not saying that J's film brought us comics/novels/toys for the first time, I'm saying that his film helped make them popular again.


Sales on both Novels and comics dropped dramictally after thge last TNG film.Barns and Nobls flag ship story redused how many Trek related books they carried by more then 80%.


And I collect ever IDW Trek book released, as well as the comics from other publishers since the 80's.But the point is that IDW limited the amount of Trek titlesw, they also dropped the production run numbers because sales were down.,


And TRU also had to mark down all the Platymates and Art Asylum Trek toys they had as well ,Insurection toys were almost completely onseen in TRU, Nemesis toys went straight to clearance... so again, your objection doesnt have a leg to stand on.


2. Listen to me, Marcus is not the main villian, Kahn is,


irreeleven, you claimed the new film had NO NEW VILLAN.


YOU WERE WRONG....man up to it.


3. The Court has thus far concluded JJ Abrams is not in Charge of the franchise yet, his movie is now representing the franchise, resulting in Trek being turned into a hyper teen driven bloated, noisy nut fest good story telling from this franchise is gone, replaced with immature dialog and loud explosions..


in your opinion


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this May. 13 2013, 1:52 pm

Quote: gordojays @ May. 13 2013, 12:06 pm

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>Don't forget the Star Date screw up and the fact that Khan is from India.  This Khan does not look like he is from India.

>The ship, looks to 21st century in engineering.  u

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There was no "star date screw up", they changed the system, which by the way was done several times since TOS.So you have no argumernt there.


And Khan is not from India.He is a manufactured product, a test tube baby for lack of a better word.


His DNA is by all accdounts taken from a number of different race's and combined into 1.


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dandeman1

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Report this May. 13 2013, 11:15 pm

I move that the prosecution be sanctioned from further testimony. It is obvious that the evidence he is supplying is completely subjective and open too interpretation. Furthermore I move that his supposed knowledge of said Star Trek cannon is not properly sourced as he does not have a line to the spirit of Gene Roddenberry. I further move that any attempt to hire a medium for said connection will be an attempt to further this farce of a prosectuion.

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Report this May. 14 2013, 12:29 am

3. The Court has thus far concluded JJ Abrams is not in Charge of the franchise yet, his movie is now representing the franchise, resulting in Trek being turned into a hyper teen driven bloated, noisy nut fest good story telling from this franchise is gone, replaced with immature dialog and loud explosions..


Really? The Court is biased and had a hung jury.


It's like Tremaine declaring that Kirk was to be hung from the neck until dead...dead...dead


Good story telling is a matter of perspective, as is the vision of what is "Star Trek" since even Roddenberry acknowledged its need to change based upon the needs of the generation. I think Trek 09 is a good story, and has good themes in it, as well as some very emotional, human, moments, that explore the human condition. It focuses more on characters than on social commentary because the movie is about the crew coming together.


The conviction that faster equals bad Trek and slower equals good Trek is a false assumption. I think the new Trek gives characters that are human in their emotions and needs and audiences connect with them more easily. If you are willing to dig beyond the lens flares, action and explosions, I think you will find a good movie with some heart.

He'sDeadJim6400

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Report this May. 15 2013, 12:33 pm

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 14 2013, 12:29 am

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>3. The Court has thus far concluded JJ Abrams is not in Charge of the franchise yet, his movie is now representing the franchise, resulting in Trek being turned into a hyper teen driven bloated, noisy nut fest good story telling from this franchise is gone, replaced with immature dialog and loud explosions..

>Really? The Court is biased and had a hung jury.

>It's like Tremaine declaring that Kirk was to be hung from the neck until dead...dead...dead

>Good story telling is a matter of perspective, as is the vision of what is "Star Trek" since even Roddenberry acknowledged its need to change based upon the needs of the generation. I think Trek 09 is a good story, and has good themes in it, as well as some very emotional, human, moments, that explore the human condition. It focuses more on characters than on social commentary because the movie is about the crew coming together.

>The conviction that faster equals bad Trek and slower equals good Trek is a false assumption. I think the new Trek gives characters that are human in their emotions and needs and audiences connect with them more easily. If you are willing to dig beyond the lens flares, action and explosions, I think you will find a good movie with some heart.

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The whole reason why there's this trial is what Mr Abrams has done to Star Trek, good story telling maybe a matter of perspective depending on WHO'S story you're telling, that Trek story from 09 is so deviant from Star Trek, he could of made that movie with any other group of teens other than TOS characters, he don't need to use Star Trek to do his movies, his Stories fit the Star Wars format more than it does Trek, the corny romance between Spock and Uhura, it can all be explain saying "this is another universe" muck, but none of it is Star Trek, Kirk making Captain in 3 years is not Trek, in this latest movie Spock shows more emotion than ever before, Abrams has now destroyed that character and Star Trek resulting in the split fan base as the Guilty/ Not Guilty votes on this thread shows.  


Greatness comes to those who really want to do anything to get it.

He'sDeadJim6400

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Report this May. 15 2013, 12:39 pm

JUDGE- IN order for the trial to proceeed a Guilty or not Guilty plea must be Address to the court.. Since JJ Abrams himself cannot be here to plea, those who defend his actions must enter a plea for him.


In light of the Charges brought before said accuser for Treasonous actions in the Star Trek movie's and other Trek related themes, How do you the defense of Mr Abrams plea ?


GUILTY or NOT GUILTY ?   

crellmoset

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Report this May. 15 2013, 1:18 pm

Not guilty. Innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof rests solely on the shoulders of the accusers. Any "evidence" which is actually an opinion will be immediately discarded. Any "evidence" that can also be applied to previous Star Trek works will also be immediately discarded.

A few quick points here.

-Spock and Uhura's romantic relationship is not corney. That's simply your opinion. It makes prefect sense to most other people.

-Spock showing more emotion is totally appropriate. He displayed emotions in TOS. He's half human and seeking to erase one half of his identity is not only not rational it probably counts as some kind of speciesist self abuse.

-The fan base is split primarily because some people can't hack the relentless march of time and change.

Ethics are arbitrary.

darth_timon

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Report this May. 15 2013, 1:22 pm

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JUDGE- IN order for the trial to proceeed a Guilty or not Guilty plea must be Address to the court.. Since JJ Abrams himself cannot be here to plea, those who defend his actions must enter a plea for him.


In light of the Charges brought before said accuser for Treasonous actions in the Star Trek movie's and other Trek related themes, How do you the defense of Mr Abrams plea ?


GUILTY or NOT GUILTY ?   


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Mistrial, on the grounds that such 'charges' should never have made it to court in the first place. The prosecution has moved the goalposts in their bid to get a conviction.

crellmoset

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Report this May. 15 2013, 1:46 pm

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JUDGE- IN order for the trial to proceeed a Guilty or not Guilty plea must be Address to the court.. Since JJ Abrams himself cannot be here to plea, those who defend his actions must enter a plea for him.

In light of the Charges brought before said accuser for Treasonous actions in the Star Trek movie's and other Trek related themes, How do you the defense of Mr Abrams plea ?

GUILTY or NOT GUILTY ?   

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Mistrial, on the grounds that such 'charges' should never have made it to court in the first place. The prosecution has moved the goalposts in their bid to get a conviction.

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Let's humor them for a moment. Let's see what will be presented as "not opinion" and "not what other Star Trek works are already guilty of". 

Ethics are arbitrary.

stovokor2000-A

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Report this May. 15 2013, 1:51 pm

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 15 2013, 12:33 pm

> good story telling maybe a matter of perspective depending on WHO'S story you're telling


completly wrong, its not a mater of "who's " story you are telling, good story telling is a matter of perspective for the reader/viewer.


what you find a good story I might find a terrible story and vice versa.


the corny romance between Spock and Uhura, Spock shows more emotion than ever before,


There was hints of an attraction in TOS, and Spock seems just as emotional as ever.


JUDGE- IN order for the trial to proceeed a Guilty or not Guilty plea must be Address to the court.. Since JJ Abrams himself cannot be here to plea, those who defend his actions must enter a plea for him.


In light of the Charges brought before said accuser for Treasonous actions in the Star Trek movie's and other Trek related themes, How do you the defense of Mr Abrams plea ?
GUILTY or NOT GUILTY ? 


Based on your very poor prosecution skills, and your gtotal inability to prove a single charge.


Not Guilty


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fireproof78

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Report this May. 15 2013, 1:53 pm

Not guilty


By reason that the arguements presented are either subjective, irrelevant, or circular in their presentation, and lack adequate answering on the part of the prosecution.


I have provided answers to each objection and have yet to be satisfied with the answers given, if any answers were given.

OtakuJo

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Report this May. 15 2013, 3:26 pm

Mis-trial.


Have you ever danced with a Tribble in the pale moonlight?

Shade.Of.Wolf

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Report this May. 15 2013, 4:54 pm

How about making Khan the most BOORRRING character ever to grace the screen; and we've seen Chakotay!


Bothering to mention the Prime Directive when most people seeing it won't have a clue what it is.


Having Kirk die as a stupid twist, and then lo and behold, revived literally two minutes later because he has impenetrable plot armor- even the original Kirk didn't have it (to that extent at least!).


In fact, impenetrable plot armour should be a point in itself.


 


It seems to me that if he wants to strike out and 'recreate' or renew Star Trek, he should leave out all the references. There are far too many, and the ironic fact is that most who get them won't like the movie, and those that don't just think they're being hipsters by actually seeing Star Trek,

gordojays

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Report this May. 16 2013, 7:35 pm

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Don't forget the Star Date screw up and the fact that Khan is from India.  This Khan does not look like he is from India.


 


The ship, looks to 21st century in engineering.  u


[/quote]There was no "star date screw up", they changed the system, which by the way was done several times since TOS.So you have no argumernt there.


And Khan is not from India.He is a manufactured product, a test tube baby for lack of a better word.


His DNA is by all accdounts taken from a number of different race's and combined into 1.


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Khan was from India: http://www.startrek.com/database_article/singh  its right in the the Data base, so you are wrong there.  As for the Star Date, they did screw up the Star Date.  They only measured time by current methods when refering to Earth time, not star date time.  So you are wrong there as well.


 

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