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AtoZ2

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Report this May. 27 2013, 3:36 am

Thank God this fanboy goof ball idiot thread has ended.


 

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Report this May. 27 2013, 9:51 am

Look who's too cool for school. 


What you call idiot some call interesting.

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Report this May. 27 2013, 1:51 pm

Quote: AtoZ2 @ May. 27 2013, 3:36 am

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>Thank God this fanboy goof ball idiot thread has ended.

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Dude by posting on it you keep it going!


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He'sDeadJim6400

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Report this May. 28 2013, 10:45 am

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Thank God this fanboy goof ball idiot thread has ended.


 


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It has not ended, foolish one, as long as people like you flock to JJ Abrams' idiotic version of Star Trek, he will continue to be on JUDGEMENT for what he does .


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Report this May. 28 2013, 8:23 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ May. 27 2013, 1:51 pm

Quote: AtoZ2 @ May. 27 2013, 3:36 am

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>Thank God this fanboy goof ball idiot thread has ended.

Dude by posting on it you keep it going!

 


 


True..but it does keep him off the streets at night and prevents him from breeding.
Besides, it's fun.
 

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Report this May. 28 2013, 8:52 pm

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>some people have been so intolerant and insulting in here.  what is the use of that?   it has always dismayed me about some areas on this board.   lack of simple manners.   

>re: Gene Roddenberry promising NBC "a whiz-bang action / adventure shoot-em-up" in the original Star Trek proposal (ok i'm exaggerating)  - - -  he promised "Wagon Train To The Stars."   Wagon Train was a serious adult drama among westerns, focusing on the strife and travails of exploring a dangerous new frontier.  It was filled with intimate human dramas that resonated well with the audience of the 60s.   Star Trek TOS, at its best, was THAT show, not a star-wars-ish extravaganza blowing up fleets and planets willy nilly.  

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It looks like the OP has taken the role of Q to Abrams' Picard-the trial never ended. I'll let you all contemplate the levels of nerdiness in that statement


While I understand TOS was human drama and that is what constantly draws me back to the series, reading behind the scens documents, interviews and books all indicate that it also used action-adventure elments as a part of the process. Again, I say consider other westerns of the era and realize what action adventure was in that time. I even asked my dad that very question, since he grew up watching TOS and enjoys Abrams Trek equally.


I think people often miss the character moments due to the explosions. I don't think the movie is hit you over the head with its message. There is a subtlety to it that sometimes TOS lacked, or is commenting on something that the general public doesn't view as a big problem. I mean, you can look at certain episodes and draw a direct line (similar to MASH) to the issue the writers were commenting on, like Let That Be Your Last Battlefield and the racist commentary. Abrams Trek works differently, and for me, it works.


Again, not everyone's cup of Earl Gray

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Report this May. 28 2013, 9:15 pm

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>i will tell you something, and this is after having watched all available episodes of "Bones" in a big Netflix marathon last summer - - -  one writer who has proved that they can get inside of their characters and make them real and alive is a woman named carla kettner.   if you picked the 20 best episodes from seasons three through six of Bones, chances are they'd all be HERS.   

>this would be a better world if all the top-level, working scrip writers and story editors today were forced BY LAW to study six months each with Carla Kettner, and Joss Whedon.   

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I have to agree with you there. Also, whoever writes for Law and Order, the SVU series specifically. Those writers all are pros in my opinion. Bones though, Bones is definitely sharp writing and a good example of ensemble group work in a fictional setting.


 

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Report this Jun. 03 2013, 7:45 pm

JJ Abrams has committed TREASON!!


Please vist

http://www.jjabramsjustdie.info


 


and like the page.  We want to force Paramount pictures to get a real director for the next movies - one who KNOWS what Star Trek is about!!!

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Report this Jun. 04 2013, 6:51 am

Quote: jjabramsmustdie @ Jun. 03 2013, 7:45 pm

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>JJ Abrams has committed TREASON!!

>Please vist

http://www.jjabramsjustdie.info

>and like the page.  We want to force Paramount pictures to get a real director for the next movies - one who KNOWS what Star Trek is about!!!

>


 


YES!!! Let's FORCE Paramount!!! Die die die!!! Kill kill kill!!! Fight the power! Hell no we won't go!!!


 



What a joke.



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Report this Jun. 04 2013, 6:57 pm

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 03 2013, 8:45 pm

>now this villian wants to move over to STAR WARS ? REALLY ?
Actually I'm far more comfortable with Abrams in charge of Star Wars than I am Star Trek. (in fact at this point I'm far more comfortable with abrams in charge of SW than I am George Lucas in charge of SW).  Star Wars was always more about the ooohhh aahhhh factor than Star Trek was.  It's right up Abram's alley really. 


But while his ST movies showed me that he might just make a great director of Star Wars movies they also showed me that, while they were enjoyable to me, he isn't the best guy to direct Trek movies. 


Tryin' the 2G6 circuit...

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Report this Jun. 06 2013, 5:11 pm

My problem with Abrams is that hes thrown out all the underlining philospohy of Star Trek. He's flat out said that it's not important, but isn't that what Trek was all about? His movies have a lot of mysogony and white washing, in some ways it goes against what Star Trek was meant to be. On the other hand, his 2009 movie was what made me interested in Star Trek. It was the first form of Trek I had ever seen, i was 12 at the time and completely in awe. 

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Report this Jun. 06 2013, 9:47 pm

Okay...


 


1.Spock and Uhura in love


Considering the changes they've made to Trek timeline, the events of the first film, and what we've observed from TOS it's not much of a stretch to see the professional admiration Uhura/Spock have for each other translate to Love.  Don't forget, Star Trek at it's very core is about showcasing controversial human issues in a non-threatening manner, everyone around the world can watch and identify with the crew on even a basic character level, "Cowboys in Space" dealing with Sex, Drugs, War, Love, Hate (racism), etc.


2.No Gary Mitchell, Kirk's friend in his early career


I can forgive this oversight, since it's a movie, not a 70+ episodic television saga (like TOS) where the writer's could really flesh out every facet of a character's backstory. It would be sheer lunacy if every tom, dick and harry from TOS made a cameo in these films.


3.Not repecting the other Trek series Like TNG, DS9 and Enterprise


I recall several references to Enterprise in the first film, Spocks mind-meld as others have pointed out touched breifly with the 24th Century (TNG/DS9), Uhura's order at the bar on Earth. STID had a few points, Section 31, a model replica of NX-1 in Admiral Marcus' office, Ketha province (Gen. Martok's home region on Kronos).


4. Turning Engineering into a beer factory


NO argument here, I thought engineering looks silly, "Mr. Scott, pour me a shot of your finest whisky!"


5. Creating that ugly creature to assist Scotty 


Don't mind so much, kinda funny.


6. those irritating LENS FLARES !


Actually I didn't realize the Lens Flares phenomenon until someone pointed it out on these boards.


7. Horrible bridge design


I have to agree, it's like a futuristic telephone switchboard room, a million lights, strobbing and flashing for no apparent reason except to look sexy and cool. more likely to give people headaches and seisures. I'd love to hear what the actor's really think about working on that set.


8. The foolish time travel alternate universe excuse to screw up Trek


Considering how often Time Travel is used in Trek, I can't blame them for using this particular plot device.


9. Instead of creating or helping to create a new Star Trek  series, he abandoned Trek to work on STAR WARS  ??


Well, JJ said very early on, 2007-2008, that he was a Star Wars fan in his youth; didn't know anything about Trek beyond the Pop Culture references.


10. Instead of having the Enterprise with seasoned adults, the ship is filled with silly cadets  teens


Unfortunately, teens and young adults have the most disposable income in households around the world, no mortgages to pay; so naturally the film/television industry caters to that crowd more.


11. Having the Enterprise assembled ON EARTH not in space.


Does seem out of sync with what was established in Prime Universe regarding ship building.


12. turning  Chekov into an irritating little worm.


I thought his character is appropriate, he was always the youngest of the original crew, plus his russian heritage (accent) was a prodominant theme throughout TOS & ST-I to VI.


13. The stupid idea of making Kirk Captain too fast


I think they addressed this fact rather nicely in INTO DARKNESS. Pike made some pointed comments about how quickly Kirk was given command, Kirk lost his command and was initially sent back the the academy, until Pike intervened.


14. Horrible Enterprise design


Agree 100%! as much as people say JJ had no input, it's my understanding that a good director/producer signs off/approves and gives direction to all art department work before it is finally produced for a film, the "buck stops with the boss". 


Looks like they copy and pasted some design elements they liked and jammed them together to make this Enterprise.


15. Bad Use of Kahn, 


Agree, his backstory seemed shallow in this version, didn't have the presence or emotional weight the original had.


16. NO RESPECT for Star Trek CANON or CONTINUITY.


This point has been beaten to death over the last 4 years, I think most of us can agree, little or no respect for Trek Canon or Continuity.


17. Lack of Character developement


I have to say, I agree, the action beats in these films seem to never end, I love action, but it has to be balanced with a few well paced character moments; let us glimpse a character's true intentions/movitations.  Things move to fast and wildly to follow, serious lack of flow or cinematic timing makes everything seem cheap.


18 Making Kirk seem incompetent.


Oh boy, that is an understatement.


19. Weak story telling


Agree, almost juvenile style of writing, a casual movie-goer could predict where the plot was going, no mystery after the first 20 minutes. I saw the MIRACLE BLOOD revival a mile away


20. No originality in the film "Into Darkness" 


 


True, this film felt like a farce of the original stories, right down to a watered down Kirk/Spock TWOK death scene. .


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Report this Jun. 06 2013, 10:15 pm

On the issues of Kahn's backstory and character development...


 


While watching both films I got the distinct impression that Abrams operated under the mistaken assumption that he didn't have to flesh the characters out as much because they'd already been fleshed out; which is to say that while Abrams wanted to break away and do his own version of Trek he was also (very wrongly) relying on the audience already having knowledge of the Enterprise' crew and Kahn from the old series and movies. 

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Report this Jun. 07 2013, 7:19 pm

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Okay...


 


1.Spock and Uhura in love


Considering the changes they've made to Trek timeline, the events of the first film, and what we've observed from TOS it's not much of a stretch to see the professional admiration Uhura/Spock have for each other translate to Love.  Don't forget, Star Trek at it's very core is about showcasing controversial human issues in a non-threatening manner, everyone around the world can watch and identify with the crew on even a basic character level, "Cowboys in Space" dealing with Sex, Drugs, War, Love, Hate (racism), etc.


2.No Gary Mitchell, Kirk's friend in his early career


I can forgive this oversight, since it's a movie, not a 70+ episodic television saga (like TOS) where the writer's could really flesh out every facet of a character's backstory. It would be sheer lunacy if every tom, dick and harry from TOS made a cameo in these films.


3.Not repecting the other Trek series Like TNG, DS9 and Enterprise


I recall several references to Enterprise in the first film, Spocks mind-meld as others have pointed out touched breifly with the 24th Century (TNG/DS9), Uhura's order at the bar on Earth. STID had a few points, Section 31, a model replica of NX-1 in Admiral Marcus' office, Ketha province (Gen. Martok's home region on Kronos).


4. Turning Engineering into a beer factory


NO argument here, I thought engineering looks silly, "Mr. Scott, pour me a shot of your finest whisky!"


5. Creating that ugly creature to assist Scotty 


Don't mind so much, kinda funny.


6. those irritating LENS FLARES !


Actually I didn't realize the Lens Flares phenomenon until someone pointed it out on these boards.


7. Horrible bridge design


I have to agree, it's like a futuristic telephone switchboard room, a million lights, strobbing and flashing for no apparent reason except to look sexy and cool. more likely to give people headaches and seisures. I'd love to hear what the actor's really think about working on that set.


8. The foolish time travel alternate universe excuse to screw up Trek


Considering how often Time Travel is used in Trek, I can't blame them for using this particular plot device.


9. Instead of creating or helping to create a new Star Trek  series, he abandoned Trek to work on STAR WARS  ??


Well, JJ said very early on, 2007-2008, that he was a Star Wars fan in his youth; didn't know anything about Trek beyond the Pop Culture references.


10. Instead of having the Enterprise with seasoned adults, the ship is filled with silly cadets  teens


Unfortunately, teens and young adults have the most disposable income in households around the world, no mortgages to pay; so naturally the film/television industry caters to that crowd more.


11. Having the Enterprise assembled ON EARTH not in space.


Does seem out of sync with what was established in Prime Universe regarding ship building.


12. turning  Chekov into an irritating little worm.


I thought his character is appropriate, he was always the youngest of the original crew, plus his russian heritage (accent) was a prodominant theme throughout TOS & ST-I to VI.


13. The stupid idea of making Kirk Captain too fast


I think they addressed this fact rather nicely in INTO DARKNESS. Pike made some pointed comments about how quickly Kirk was given command, Kirk lost his command and was initially sent back the the academy, until Pike intervened.


14. Horrible Enterprise design


Agree 100%! as much as people say JJ had no input, it's my understanding that a good director/producer signs off/approves and gives direction to all art department work before it is finally produced for a film, the "buck stops with the boss". 


Looks like they copy and pasted some design elements they liked and jammed them together to make this Enterprise.


15. Bad Use of Kahn, 


Agree, his backstory seemed shallow in this version, didn't have the presence or emotional weight the original had.


16. NO RESPECT for Star Trek CANON or CONTINUITY.


This point has been beaten to death over the last 4 years, I think most of us can agree, little or no respect for Trek Canon or Continuity.


17. Lack of Character developement


I have to say, I agree, the action beats in these films seem to never end, I love action, but it has to be balanced with a few well paced character moments; let us glimpse a character's true intentions/movitations.  Things move to fast and wildly to follow, serious lack of flow or cinematic timing makes everything seem cheap.


18 Making Kirk seem incompetent.


Oh boy, that is an understatement.


19. Weak story telling


Agree, almost juvenile style of writing, a casual movie-goer could predict where the plot was going, no mystery after the first 20 minutes. I saw the MIRACLE BLOOD revival a mile away


20. No originality in the film "Into Darkness" 


 


True, this film felt like a farce of the original stories, right down to a watered down Kirk/Spock TWOK death scene. .


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Though the charges from this court against Abrams has been dropped because he's  incapable of making a good Trek film, still the charges must be recon with..


Spock and Uhura- Commander Spock is Uhura's supeior officer, yet as one who obey Star Fleet regs strickly, he continues his affair with an officer under his command, certainly he must be breaking several violations while doing this and he does so in a foolish reckless way, Spock is unemotional and is devoted to logic would a Vulcan like him be emotioally attracted to a highly emotional immature HUMAN female ? who nags him about their relationship ? Uhura on the other hand fares worst as she is depicted as a immature specialist who acts like a foolish teenager trying to make her superior officer love her, she's not the classic intelligent self respected officer she was in The Original Series, Abrams dosen't have a clue.  


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