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Court is in SESSION- To convict JJ Abrams of Trek Treason

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stovokor2000-A

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Report this May. 24 2013, 9:46 pm

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 24 2013, 9:34 pm

>>True, but Abrams falsely claims he is a Trek fan now, he is reponsible for turning this movie into the mess that it is,Hence another charge-


why dont you try to make a charge you can make stick?


theres no way you can know whats in JJ's head, so you cant say if he is now a fan or not.


 


17. Lack of character developement- In this movie the charcater of Captain Kirk took a serious nose dive, never was Kirk EVER unsure of himself or didn't know his next move or "scared" as he puts it, the death scene was done without real content it was only to copy 'The Wrath Of Kahn" the Spock and Uhura affair is becoming more distasteful and foolish as it was in the first movie, as this Spock is one to Quote orders he seemingly disregards them by carrying on a relationship with a subordinate..Kahn while a great fighter, does not have any depth or motivation as the original Kahn in Star Trek 2, there is no originality in "Into Darkness" again we see a viilian with a pointless agenda..


I havent seen the film yet, but I would welcome a Kirk that wasnt so saure of himself.


but if what you say of Khan is true then I will be disapointed.


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Report this May. 24 2013, 9:49 pm

This Kirk was thrust into the position of captain, and had nothing like the experience of TOS Kirk, nor the stable upbringing that would have allowed him to temper some of his more irrational impulses. If you were to argue that, then, he should not have been captain -- then that's probably true. But if it happened that way, doubtless fans would complain "Oh no Kirk not captain WHYYYY?"


We know that TOS Kirk did have irrational impulses -- he probably seeded half a galaxy of illegitimate half-alien babies. Also, how can you say for sure that Kirk in the prime timeline was never "scared" or uncertain? You see inside his head now?? In all likelihood, he had the foundation of experience to mask any moment of uncertainty -- which JJ Kirk does not have.


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Report this May. 24 2013, 9:52 pm

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ May. 24 2013, 9:46 pm

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>Kahn while a great fighter, does not have any depth or motivation as the original Kahn in Star Trek 2, there is no originality in "Into Darkness" again we see a viilian with a pointless agenda..

>I havent seen the film yet, but I would welcome a Kirk that wasnt so saure of himself.

>but if what you say of Khan is true then I will be disapointed.

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I don't think it is true. Had they kept John Harrison, he might have been one of the better villains of Star Trek. A lot of the vengeance motive seems to be directed at Adm. Marcus rather than Kirk... But I can't really say too much more without spoiling too much, and I'm not sure whether you want that.


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Report this May. 24 2013, 9:56 pm

thanks

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Report this May. 24 2013, 10:13 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ May. 24 2013, 9:49 pm

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>This Kirk was thrust into the position of captain, and had nothing like the experience of TOS Kirk, nor the stable upbringing that would have allowed him to temper some of his more irrational impulses. If you were to argue that, then, he should not have been captain -- then that's probably true. But if it happened that way, doubtless fans would complain "Oh no Kirk not captain WHYYYY?"

>We know that TOS Kirk did have irrational impulses -- he probably seeded half a galaxy of illegitimate half-alien babies. Also, how can you say for sure that Kirk in the prime timeline was never "scared" or uncertain? You see inside his head now?? In all likelihood, he had the foundation of experience to mask any moment of uncertainty -- which JJ Kirk does not have.

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The Prosecution shall answer- Prime Kirk may have been scared or  uncertain as in "Balance Of Terror" ,but he never let is show, in Star Trek 5 Kirk says "I fear nothing". Prime Kirk may had experience,but JJ Kirk in this film has been the Captain for sometime now and his leadership skills is still in question ? when in the last film he had no problem finding a way to save the universe and stop the villian, Why ? in this film does he questions his own abilities and  even says Spock is better to lead ..


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Report this May. 24 2013, 10:19 pm

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 24 2013, 10:13 pm

>but JJ Kirk in this film has been the Captain for sometime now and his leadership skills is still in question ?


"JJ's Kiek has been captain for some time"???


I havent seen the film and I know that only about a year has passed.


you really need to double check your facts before you post things.,


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Report this May. 24 2013, 10:51 pm

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>Vger, the irony in your posts is overwhelming. If you like "nuTrek" and don't want anyone ruining it for you or implying you are dumb for liking a dumb movie that was written by and for dumb people then don't come into these "hate" threads. It's really just that simple.

>Fireproof, I don't really care about Cawley but the articles you posted are from 2008. I think he's been much more critical of Abrams since then.

>OP, Abrams cannot be tried for treason because he had no loyalty to Star Trek to begin with.

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Well, the articles I posted were more a relief to me to know that I might live in the same deluded world as some other people. The fact that other people see Abrams heart, his desire to bring a different perspective to Trek. In addition, my research did not indicate that Cawley had changed his mind or been more vocal in his opposition.


Also, if the treason charge keeps coming up for disloyalty, I would like to point out that Nicholas Meyer, did not reappear on the Trek scene for four movies. In addition, very few directors have given Trek the same amount of loyalty that the fans give it.


To the OP, nuKirk lacked a father figure to give him the same measure of discipline and maturity that Prime Kirk would have had. I think Kirk's lack of maturity is far more realistic and very timely in his commenting on the role of fathers in families.

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Report this May. 24 2013, 11:39 pm

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 24 2013, 10:13 pm

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>in Star Trek 5 Kirk says "I fear nothing". Prime Kirk may had experience,but JJ Kirk in this film has been the Captain for sometime now and his leadership skills is still in question ?

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As Stovokor rightly points out, "sometime" is not very long in this case. Certainly not long enough to be a seasoned captain.


Kirk's leadership skills are in question because his actions caused them to be questioned.


In my experience, when someone says "I fear nothing" -- or some equivalent thereof -- they're bull-crapping.


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Report this May. 25 2013, 9:53 am

In addition, my research did not indicate that Cawley had changed his mind or been more vocal in his opposition.

A quick Google search turned up this interview from 2011:

http://www.trekzone.de/content/cc/fandom/interviews/tzn-exclusive-interview-with-james-cawley.htm

The excerpt regarding Abrams:

TZN: Then JJ Abrams came along and took the classic "Star Trek" under his wing. From a fan point of view, do you think this new vision is the right direction? And if so, what did he do right that was lacking in the last TNG movies?

Cawley: The only movie I think that was lacking was "Nemesis". I thought that was a bad movie, I think they tried too hard to be "The Wrath of Khan", which doesn't fit for TNG. I think JJ Abrams is a spectacular man, a very nice guy. I think the movie is a fun movie, but I don't think that it's "Star Trek". I think it's too far from the well. If I had to make that movie, it would have had more of the philosophy of The Original Series. I think that it was just an action movie.

And is that a bad thing? No. They wanted to reinvent "Star Trek" for a new group of people. Unfortunately, I think they were trying to make "Star Trek" acceptable to the guy in the street. They didn't market the movie to me, or you. They wanted everybody to go see this movie. I don't know if that's a good decision or a bad decision, I really don't know.

I was disappointed with a lot in the movie, more than anything. There were so many things in hindsight when you look at the movie you go: why do they have to parachute through the atmosphere and land on this drill and shoot it with a hand phaser, when they could have shot the core that it's attached to from space? They did so many things just for the cool action thing that the whole philosophy of Gene Roddenberry's "Star Trek" was kinda blown off this thing.

But the movie was successful. They're creating another one, a lot of people had fun, I think the actors were great. I just think they need to be given a better script. We'll see what happens. But they all, everybody who worked on that movie, believed in what they were doing and the movie succeeded in the one thing that it needed to do and that was get people excited about "Star Trek". And that's what it did. It did very well.


Also, if the treason charge keeps coming up for disloyalty, I would like to point out that Nicholas Meyer, did not reappear on the Trek scene for four movies. In addition, very few directors have given Trek the same amount of loyalty that the fans give it.

I just meant Abrams was never a fan to begin with so "treason" is not an appropriate charge. It would be like charging a Canadian with treason against the United States.

Also, Meyer co-wrote the screenplay for TVH.

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Report this May. 25 2013, 12:18 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ May. 24 2013, 11:39 pm

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 24 2013, 10:13 pm

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>in Star Trek 5 Kirk says "I fear nothing". Prime Kirk may had experience,but JJ Kirk in this film has been the Captain for sometime now and his leadership skills is still in question ?

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As Stovokor rightly points out, "sometime" is not very long in this case. Certainly not long enough to be a seasoned captain.

Kirk's leadership skills are in question because his actions caused them to be questioned.

In my experience, when someone says "I fear nothing" -- or some equivalent thereof -- they're bull-crapping.


That maybe so sometimes, but that's no excuse for his incompetence, if JJ Kirk can be so cocky and confident in the first movie, figuring out a way to stop Nero, saving Earth, how can he now be scared and unsure of himself, what happened ? if he can make Captain in 3 years after saving the universe, he still can't get a handle on the job after 1 year ??,He dosen't need to be Captain at all, his crew dosen't have faith in him, Scotty quits on him, he dosen't have faith in himself, he gets the crap beat out of him throughout the movie, it's just Abrams' way of killing a good character. Hence, another charge--


18. Making Kirk seem incompetent


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Report this May. 25 2013, 5:51 pm

WHO CARES?  INNOCENT I SAY.  If he did so well with star trek, I know star wars will excel as well.  As far as the rest of the charges,  I say BLAH.  GO J.J Abrams...

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Report this May. 26 2013, 2:45 pm

JUDGE- ATTENTION ! A VERDICT HAS BEEN REACH CONCERNING THE CONVICTION OF JJ ABRAMS !


AS THIS IS A FAIR TRIAL AND AFTER VIEWING THE COMMENTS ON THIS BOARD, THE COURT RECOGNIZES THAT MR. ABRAMS IS NOT TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS -SHALL WE SAY, RECKLESS VERSION OF STAR TREK, HE IS MERELY FOLLOWING A TREND OF  TODAY'S MOVIES WHICH HAS BEEN DUMB DOWN TO THE LOWEST LEVEL IN HAVING NON STOP ACTION, SENSELESS FIGHT SCENES, LOTS OF EXPLOSIONS, FOOLISH SEX SCENES AND NO DIALOG FOR THINKING PEOPLE, STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS HAS FOLLOWED THIS TREND , BRINGING IN TWO BRITISH ACTORS MERELY BECAUSE PARAMOUNT WANTED TO SAISTFY THEIR OVERSEAS MARKET, WHILE MAKING SEVERAL REFERENCES TO PAST TREK MOVIES, NOTHING IN "INTO DARKNESS "IS ORIGINAL, THE STORY IS WEAK AND MOST OF THE CHARACTERS ARE DISMAL COMPARED TO THE ORIGINALS, THE COURT RECOGNIZE THAT MR. ABRAMS DOSEN'T HAVE THE WILL, TALENT OR DESIRE TO MAKE A GOOD STAR TREK MOVIE..


THEREFOREALL CHARGES AGAINST MR. JJ ABRAMS HAS BEEN DROPPED EXCEPT FOR  2 CHARGES


6. LENS FLARES WHICH IS A FAULT OF THE DIRECTOR  AND 20. NO ORIGINALITY IN THE FILM "INTO DARKNESS".. WE TRUST THAT CBS AND PARAMOUNT WILL FIX THESE REMAINING  CHARGES  BY GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO MAKE THE NEXT STAR TREK MOVIE..


JUDGING FROM THE VOTES ON THIS TRIAL THIS COURT WHICH REPRESENTS THE SOCIETY OF TRUE TREKKERS FIND JJ ABRAMS INNOCENT OF TREK TREASON. 


THOUGH THIS RULING DOSEN'T NEGATE THE FACT THAT HE RUIN THE ORIGINAL SERIES WITH HIS MOVIE, HE IS INCOMPETENT TO ANYTHING GOOD WITH STAR TREK, IT IS THE COURTS HOPE THAT JJ ABRAMS MOVE ON TO STAR WARS AND STAY AWAY FROM STAR TREK.


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Report this May. 26 2013, 9:32 pm

Oh Jesus Christ.

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Report this May. 27 2013, 3:11 am

Hehe. Sounds fair.

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Report this May. 27 2013, 3:12 am

Hehe. Sounds Fair.

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