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Report this May. 03 2013, 8:45 pm

Look..Clearly when JJ Abrams made his goof ball version of Star Trek, he talk down to the loyal fans, he didn't realize that when you step on us we become  more powerful than a fleet of Borg scout ships..With his team of silly writers Orci and Kurtzman, Abrams turn TOS into a ship filled with nutty cadets and a guy with pointed ears that can be easily influenced by a human girl, YUK ! and Klingons with covered faces and trench coats, is this OUR Star Trek ?it made money, sure, but is really Star Trek ? Abrams has no repect for any Trek series or movie that came before his, is this who we want to leave Gene Roddenberry's legacy to ?? now this villian wants to move over to STAR WARS ? REALLY ?.Below is a list of the charges against this rogue, feel free to add your own, if he's found innocent, we'll (or some of us) will accept his idiotic version of Trek, If he's Guilty we won't have NOTHING to do with his Trek or Anything he's done, no DVD's no action figures.


Here's some of the CHARGES, ADD more and a verdict will be reach on MAY 24, after Into  Darkness comes out just in case we need to add more charges.


 


1.Spock and Uhura in love


2.No Gary Mitchell, Kirk's friend in his early career


3.Not repecting the other Trek series Like TNG, DS9 and Enterprise


4. Turning Engineering into a beer factory


5. Creating that ugly creature to assist Scotty 


6. those irritating LENS FLARES !


7. Horrible bridge design


8. The foolish time travel alternate universe excuse to screw up Trek


9. Instead of creating or helping to create a new Star Trek  series, he abandoned Trek to work on STAR WARS  ??


10. Instead of having the Enterprise with seasoned adults, the ship is filled with silly cadets  teens


11. Having the Enterprise assembled ON EARTH not in space.


12. turning  Chekov into an irritating little worm.


13. The stupid idea of making Kirk Captain too fast


14. Horrible Enterprise design


15. Bad Use of Kahn, 


16. NO RESPECT for Star Trek CANON or CONTINUITY.


17. Lack of Character developement


18 Making Kirk seem incompetent.


19. Weak story telling


20. No originality in the film "Into Darkness" 


 


     


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Report this May. 03 2013, 9:58 pm

First of all, those are charges, not convictions. Second of all, this has all been discussed over and obver again for the past four years, and there's very little left to say. Third of all, we all know it's you DammitJim.


 


1.Spock and Uhura in love


So? That was actually hinted a bit in TOS. And this is younger Spock, not yet the wise soul we know from the classic 1701.


2.No Gary Mitchell, Kirk's friend in his early career


... So? What does that have to do with anything?


3.Not repecting the other Trek series Like TNG, DS9 and Enterprise


Uhura ordered Cardassian drinks at the bar. Scotty beamed Archer's dog to Mars (or tried to).


4. Turning Engineering into a beer factory


Annoying, but hardly a "crime".


5. Creating that ugly creature to assist Scotty


He's better than Wesley Crusher.


6. those irritating LENS FLARES !


I never had a problem with the lens flares, though I can see why some might.


7. Horrible bridge design


It's big and bright, but there's nothing wrong with that. My only problem with the bridge is the window instead of a viewscreen.


8. The foolish time travel alternate universe excuse to screw up Trek


What Star Trek fan would enjoy watching Captain Kirk save the day when they know he's going to get crushed by a bridge in Generations? Who would be concerned for our heroes when they know they're gonna survive to appear in TOS? They needed to create a new continuity in order to tell new stories.


9. Instead of creating or helping to create a new Star Trek  series, he abandoned Trek to work on STAR WARS  ??


So you're mad at JJ for working on Star Trek, but also mad because he's leaving Trek to work on something else? I don't understand you.


10. Instead of having the Enterprise with seasoned adults, the ship is filled with silly cadets  teens


It's an origin story.


11. Having the Enterprise assembled ON EARTH not in space.


Unrealistic, but no more so than most of the stuff we got in TOS.


12. turning  Chekov into an irritating little worm.


Huh?


13. The stupid idea of making Kirk Captain too fast


Sometimes street smarts outweigh academic smarts. Kirk had plenty of the former, and several years worth of the latter.


14. Horrible Enterprise design


Some love it, some hate it. And that was hardly JJ's fault - he didn't design it.


15. No mention of the movie prequel Star Trek comic book which has TNG in it.


Did you miss Spock's whole mind-meld sequence on Delta Vega?


16. NO RESPECT for Star Trek CANON or CONTINUITY.


You obviously didn't watch the movie. Otherwise you would have seen all the references to the Kobiyashi Maru, Klingon D7s, Regula I, Iowa, "marrying your mother was logical", Orions, Cardassians, etc.


 


The JJ movie saved the franchise from the failures of Nemesis and Enterprise. Star Trek is popular again, we're getting more movies, and a new series might even be coming soon. I really don't see what the problem is.


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Report this May. 04 2013, 1:07 am

On the charges already laid out : 


1-  In ST TOS, Uhura may have been flirtatious a few times, but I do not think she was in love with Spock. 


2-  It has to do with that the crew of the Enterprise we care about was not assembled fully from the start. 


3-  Archer's dog is dead by the time the events of the TOS happen!  To mention species before they are met is wrong, dumb, and does not respect continuity. 


4-  To annoy fans is a crime. 


5-  No he is not. 


6- I do not remember the lens flares, but special effects do not make me like or dislike a movie.  Both in that 2009 thing and in the new film, there is a whole lot of them.  That sounds like a trick (like 3D) to hide the fact that there is no story.  Or that whatever the story is, people are going to be so amazed by the looks of things, they won't notice (or care) it is bad. 


7-  It is ugly, and it looks too «hightech» for the time the story takes place in. 


8-  «The foolish time travel alternate universe excuse to screw up Trek»


Rigth on.  In ST TNG, when there was time travel, it was to put things «rigth». In the 2009 thing, the wrong things happen, the characters just react to them. 


9- That is not a crime, it is a relief.  Abrams can go sink Star Wars if Disney will let him, good bye and good riddance. 


10- That 2009 thing was aimed at teenagers who knew nothing about Star Trek. 


11- I do not mind things that are unrealistic, just as long as it makes sense in the particular universe a strory is told.  Building the Enterprise on Earth is unrealistic in any universe. 


12- Chekov, Scotty... They are all irritating. 


13- Experience helps too in dangerous situations. 


14-  It really is ugly.  I did not like it when D crashed in «Generations», the ship in that thing coming out in 2 weeks can sink to the bottom of San Fransisco Bay, I do not care. 


15- I have no idea as to what is referenced here. 


16- Talking about something like you know it when you don't is disrespectful.  Abrams himself has admitted to not knowing the Star Trek Universe all that well.    


Here are a few more charges : 


17- Nero makes the guy eat the thing that is supposed to wrap itself around the brain after entering in the head through an ear conduct.  What for ?  That is not respect for canon.  Very basic canon.


18- What is red matter and where does it come from ?  A new menace ?  Fine, but it has to make some sense, and that thing does not. 


19- So far as I know, black holes come from collapsed stars, not from destroyed planets.  Real science has to be respected minimally, even in science fiction. 


20- Really, who's very bad ideas was it to kill Spock's mother and destroy Vulcan ?


21- To make an original character appear in a film is not a way to get my interest. 


There were plenty of things I did not like in the 2009 thing, but I do not remember them all.  I am left with the lasting feeling that it was a bad story (for the little of a story that there was), badly filmed, and badly acted (as I wrote once in a comment, the Teletubies could have done better).  The only reason the Abrams film bearing the name Star Trek made money is because fans are so hungry for new (real) Star Trek, they will watch anything, and that there are enough people who do not know Star Trek who will go watch a film because there is a lot of action and special effects in it.  Not me. 

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Report this May. 04 2013, 1:50 am

1.Spock and Uhura in love


This is one of the things that I absolutely abhor about the reboot.  Spock/Chapel might have been acceptable, but still a long shot.  The totality of support of a prime universe Spock/Uhura connection consisted of Spock smiling while playing music FOR AN AUDIENCE while Uhura sang TO THE SAME AUDIENCE in the episode Charlie X.  There are a few other bits of "evidence" of this pairing in the TOS that some might cite, such as Spock complimenting Uhura's technical expertise in "Who Mourns for Adonis", but none of these even hint at any relationship beyond the fondness of professionals who work together in close proximity for an extended period of time.


2.No Gary Mitchell, Kirk's friend in his early career


This one I can forgive because Lieutenant Kirk met Cadet Gary Mitchell when Kirk was an instructor at the Academy--since the alternate timeline, Kirk skipped over the first 15 years of his career (skipping the Lieutenant rank completely) he was never an instructor, as such, never met Gary Mitchell.


3.Not repecting the other Trek series Like TNG, DS9 and Enterprise


I consider this one a non-issue.  Respect was there, at least in a cursory manner.


4. Turning Engineering into a beer factory


Yeah... I didn't like this.  Unfortunately, it's personal preference and can't be used as objective evidence against the reboot.


5. Creating that ugly creature to assist Scotty


This is an item which I feel is to Abrams's benefit. We saw very few aliens in TOS but we know they were there.


6. those irritating LENS FLARES !


This one is just bad cinematography.


7. Horrible bridge design


Not horrible... but not the Enterprise.


8. The foolish time travel alternate universe excuse to screw up Trek


This, I think, is the only way the reboot really could have worked given the requirement to "remove constraints" of 2 centuries of canon.


9. Instead of creating or helping to create a new Star Trek  series, he abandoned Trek to work on STAR WARS  ??


Star Wars was always his goal... I don't know if he abandoned Trek, but I'm fairly certain his attention was divided.


10. Instead of having the Enterprise with seasoned adults, the ship is filled with silly cadets  teens


On one side: Only Kirk, McCoy, and Uhura were clearly identified as cadets.  While it is likely that Sulu and Chekov were as well, we see no evidence of that.  For all we know, Lt. Sulu could have been a 3-year veteran having moved up through the Ensign and LtJG ranks.  However... I agree that the raw cadets should have been limited to the Ensigns, not the entire crew, as it appeared to have been.


11. Having the Enterprise assembled ON EARTH not in space.


A pet peeve which contradicts canon, but not a deal-breaker.


12. turning  Chekov into an irritating little worm.


I have to disagree with this one. The original Chekov was a little annoying at times too... the only difference is that now you notice it because he gets more face time and isn't the "stock/prop" reactionary type character he was during TOS.


13. The stupid idea of making Kirk Captain too fast


For me, this is the reboot's fatal flaw. Inexcusable.


14. Horrible Enterprise design


I don't like it, but all the essential elements are there.  It can be overlooked unless you're looking for reasons to hate it, in which case your mind was made up before it even came out.


15. No mention of the movie prequel Star Trek comic book which has TNG in it.


Irrelevant.  Other series never mentioned the comics or novels... why should this incarnation be any different?


16. NO RESPECT for Star Trek CANON or CONTINUITY


This really comes down to the end virdict.  Did he respect or did he not?  For me, it's a hung jury.


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Report this May. 04 2013, 2:38 am

1.Spock and Uhura in love


 


an aTTRACTION WAS HINTED AT IN MORE THEN 1 EPISODE OF tos


 


2.No Gary Mitchell, Kirk's friend in his early career


 


No Gary.............so far, whos to say what may comne.


 


3.Not repecting the other Trek series Like TNG, DS9 and Enterprise


 


excuse me?We have heard some refrances to some series


 


4. Turning Engineering into a beer factory


 


not a fave of mines either


 


5. Creating that ugly creature to assist Scotty 


 


I like him


 


6. those irritating LENS FLARES !


 


again not a fav


 


7. Horrible bridge design


 


I like the new bridge


 


8. The foolish time travel alternate universe excuse to screw up Trek


 


it actully works, so its far from foolish


 


9. Instead of creating or helping to create a new Star Trek  series, he abandoned Trek to work on STAR


WARS  ??


 


from what I here he will still be involved in a 3rd film


 


10. Instead of having the Enterprise with seasoned adults, the ship is filled with silly cadets  teens


 


yes, they are younger then they were in tos,thats the point of telling a prequil of sorts.


 


11. Having the Enterprise assembled ON EARTH not in space.


 


Sorry, it was NEVER said that thevTOS Enterprise was built in space, as a matter of fact, the detication plaque states the ship was built in San Fransic ship yards...Earth.


 


12. turning  Chekov into an irritating little worm.


 


I liked him


 


13. The stupid idea of making Kirk Captain too fast


 


I can agree with this one.


 


14. Horrible Enterprise design


 


liked the ship


 


15. No mention of the movie prequel Star Trek comic book which has TNG in it.


 


comics arent always canon.And that comic was written after the film was made


 


16. NO RESPECT for Star Trek CANON or CONTINUITY.


 


I see pleaqnty of respect twards canon....after all, he did give us a reason for the changes in history in the form of Neros actions???


if he had no respect for canon, he would just change things with out giving us a logical reason


 


   


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Report this May. 04 2013, 3:10 am

Quote: MCB @ May. 04 2013, 1:07 am

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>On the charges already laid out : 

>1-  In ST TOS, Uhura may have been flirtatious a few times, but I do not think she was in love with Spock.


She was older in TOS, whos to say how she felt earlier in life.


3-  Archer's dog is dead by the time the events of the TOS happen! 


you really cant be certin about that, maybe by that time they have learned to prolong a k9's life span.


To mention species before they are met is wrong, dumb, and does not respect continuity. 


I assume you are refering to the Cardssians....well we have no idea when first contact with them happened.


7-  It is ugly, and it looks too «hightech» for the time the story takes place in. 


what something "looks" like differes from person to person.


Rigth on.  In ST TNG, when there was time travel, it was to put things «rigth».


but they almost never really did put things back to how they were before


Building the Enterprise on Earth is unrealistic in any universe. 


as I stated in a different post, the dedication plaque on the TOS enterprise states the ship was built on Earth.


17- Nero makes the guy eat the thing that is supposed to wrap itself around the brain after entering in the head through an ear conduct.


those things werent the same things Khan used in TWOK


18- What is red matter and where does it come from ?  A new menace ?  Fine, but it has to make some sense, and that thing does not. 


its not like they explain every substance in TOS.


19- So far as I know, black holes come from collapsed stars, not from destroyed planets.  Real science has to be respected minimally, even in science fiction. 


the destroied planet did not created the "black hole", the Red matter did.


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Report this May. 04 2013, 3:22 am

Quote: Gawain_VIII @ May. 04 2013, 1:50 am

>The totality of support of a prime universe Spock/Uhura connection consisted of Spock smiling while playing music FOR AN AUDIENCE while Uhura sang TO THE SAME AUDIENCE in the episode Charlie X.


Incorrect, thereb is also Uhuras flirtauious and playful banter about Vulcan and its moons or lack of in The man trap"


A pet peeve which contradicts canon, but not a deal-breaker.


no contradiction to canon, no canon sourse ever definitily states where the TOS Enterprise was builkt.


 


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Report this May. 04 2013, 5:45 am

Quote: Mitchz95 @ May. 03 2013, 9:58 pm

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>First of all, those are charges, not convictions. Second of all, this has all been discussed over and obver again for the past four years, and there's very little left to say. Third of all, we all know it's you DammitJim.

>1.Spock and Uhura in love

>So? That was actually hinted a bit in TOS. And this is younger Spock, not yet the wise soul we know from the classic 1701.

>2.No Gary Mitchell, Kirk's friend in his early career

>... So? What does that have to do with anything?

>3.Not repecting the other Trek series Like TNG, DS9 and Enterprise

>Uhura ordered Cardassian drinks at the bar. Scotty beamed Archer's dog to Mars (or tried to).

>4. Turning Engineering into a beer factory

>Annoying, but hardly a "crime".

>5. Creating that ugly creature to assist Scotty

>He's better than Wesley Crusher.

>6. those irritating LENS FLARES !

>I never had a problem with the lens flares, though I can see why some might.

>7. Horrible bridge design

>It's big and bright, but there's nothing wrong with that. My only problem with the bridge is the window instead of a viewscreen.

>8. The foolish time travel alternate universe excuse to screw up Trek

>What Star Trek fan would enjoy watching Captain Kirk save the day when they know he's going to get crushed by a bridge in Generations? Who would be concerned for our heroes when they know they're gonna survive to appear in TOS? They needed to create a new continuity in order to tell new stories.

>9. Instead of creating or helping to create a new Star Trek  series, he abandoned Trek to work on STAR WARS  ??

>So you're mad at JJ for working on Star Trek, but also mad because he's leaving Trek to work on something else? I don't understand you.

>10. Instead of having the Enterprise with seasoned adults, the ship is filled with silly cadets  teens

>It's an origin story.

>11. Having the Enterprise assembled ON EARTH not in space.

>Unrealistic, but no more so than most of the stuff we got in TOS.

>12. turning  Chekov into an irritating little worm.

>Huh?

>13. The stupid idea of making Kirk Captain too fast

>Sometimes street smarts outweigh academic smarts. Kirk had plenty of the former, and several years worth of the latter.

>14. Horrible Enterprise design

>Some love it, some hate it. And that was hardly JJ's fault - he didn't design it.

>15. No mention of the movie prequel Star Trek comic book which has TNG in it.

>Did you miss Spock's whole mind-meld sequence on Delta Vega?

>16. NO RESPECT for Star Trek CANON or CONTINUITY.

>You obviously didn't watch the movie. Otherwise you would have seen all the references to the Kobiyashi Maru, Klingon D7s, Regula I, Iowa, "marrying your mother was logical", Orions, Cardassians, etc.

>The JJ movie saved the franchise from the failures of Nemesis and Enterprise. Star Trek is popular again, we're getting more movies, and a new series might even be coming soon. I really don't see what the problem is.

>


THe Cardassians were NEVER in TOS, good, thanks for reminding me, that's a double charge.


 Leonard McCoy was NOT on the Enterprise when Kirk took command, Dr. Piper was, Double Charge.


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Report this May. 04 2013, 7:00 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ May. 04 2013, 3:22 am

Quote: Gawain_VIII @ May. 04 2013, 1:50 am

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>The totality of support of a prime universe Spock/Uhura connection consisted of Spock smiling while playing music FOR AN AUDIENCE while Uhura sang TO THE SAME AUDIENCE in the episode Charlie X.

Incorrect, thereb is also Uhuras flirtauious and playful banter about Vulcan and its moons or lack of in The man trap"

A pet peeve which contradicts canon, but not a deal-breaker.

no contradiction to canon, no canon sourse ever definitily states where the TOS Enterprise was builkt.

 


Stovokor, the court would like to know if you speak for the accused ?


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Report this May. 04 2013, 9:27 am

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 04 2013, 5:45 am

>THe Cardassians were NEVER in TOS, good, thanks for reminding me, that's a double charge.


but they were seen in "ENTERPRISE", so your charge doesnt have a leg to stand on.


 Leonard McCoy was NOT on the Enterprise when Kirk took command, Dr. Piper was, Double Charge.


and Uhura wore a yellow uniform............dude, history was changed, it explains those types of differences


Stovokor, the court would like to know if you speak for the accused ?


I speak for the TRUTH, when you have something right I'll say so, when your wrong I'll call you on it.


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Report this May. 04 2013, 9:36 am

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 04 2013, 7:00 am

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>Stovokor, the court would like to know if you speak for the accused ?

>


Please drop this stupid court thing; it's even more embarrasing than Q's trial of humanity in "Encounter at Farpoint". Whatever the verdict (who decides that, by the way?) people are not going to abide by it.


As I've already said, there's nothing that can be said here that hasn't been said in the last four years. Some will love it, some will hate it. It's the same with every movie. Now just accept that and stop spamming up the boards with this drivel!


I'm done wasting my time with this thread. Live long and prosper.


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Report this May. 04 2013, 10:45 am

Quote: Mitchz95 @ May. 04 2013, 9:36 am

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 04 2013, 7:00 am

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>Stovokor, the court would like to know if you speak for the accused ?

>

Please drop this stupid court thing; it's even more embarrasing than Q's trial of humanity in "Encounter at Farpoint". Whatever the verdict (who decides that, by the way?) people are not going to abide by it.

As I've already said, there's nothing that can be said here that hasn't been said in the last four years. Some will love it, some will hate it. It's the same with every movie. Now just accept that and stop spamming up the boards with this drivel!

I'm done wasting my time with this thread. Live long and prosper.


 


Well said, Mitch.  Well said.

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Report this May. 04 2013, 5:46 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ May. 04 2013, 9:36 am

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 04 2013, 7:00 am

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>

>Stovokor, the court would like to know if you speak for the accused ?

>

Please drop this stupid court thing; it's even more embarrasing than Q's trial of humanity in "Encounter at Farpoint". Whatever the verdict (who decides that, by the way?) people are not going to abide by it.

As I've already said, there's nothing that can be said here that hasn't been said in the last four years. Some will love it, some will hate it. It's the same with every movie. Now just accept that and stop spamming up the boards with this drivel!

I'm done wasting my time with this thread. Live long and prosper.


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Report this May. 04 2013, 8:11 pm

1.Spock and Uhura in love


I have no problem with this whatsoever.


2.No Gary Mitchell, Kirk's friend in his early career


As others have mentioned, it is alternate. Kirk may just not have met Gary Mitchell, or alternatively, there may be no reason to show Gary Mitchell. There are a lot of characters in TOS who don't make it into the film(s).


3.Not repecting the other Trek series Like TNG, DS9 and Enterprise


I don't think he has disrespected the later Trek series. He even connected the film to TNG in the sense that Spock was an ambassador on Romulus... That did not happen in original series.


4. Turning Engineering into a beer factory


Some would say that beer is good.


5. Creating that ugly creature to assist Scotty 


haha I actually liked "that ugly creature". He was a cynic through and through. Jem'hadar Mini-me or something. I suppose I can see why you don't like him and if he had been less of a cynic then he would have been like Jar Jar Binks. But he wasn't.


6. those irritating LENS FLARES !


Yeah. One thing I don't like is the intensity of sound and lighting that never lets up. It gets better on the small screen but does make the movie hard to watch.


7. Horrible bridge design


Doesn't worry me. If it had been designed like the '60s version, no-one would have accepted it.


8. The foolish time travel alternate universe excuse to screw up Trek


The old stuff still exists. It's not like he is responsible for a mass-burning of old Trek materials.


9. Instead of creating or helping to create a new Star Trek  series, he abandoned Trek to work on STAR WARS  ??


Come on you can't have it both ways. "JJ Abrams is horrible for Trek and now he's horrible because he won't stick around!" won't work.


Actually it would be good to see a new face take up a new series, if that happens.


10. Instead of having the Enterprise with seasoned adults, the ship is filled with silly cadets  teens


Actually with the exception of Chekov and possibly Sulu, they aren't teens. Also, if you look at the real military -- a lot of soldiers have historically been in their late teens/early twenties; there are many stories of new recruits faking their ages to make themselves "older". But I'll grant that the idea of a bunch of cadets turning into the main bridge crew of the Enterprise (with "Cadet" Kirk as suddenly a Captain) is silly.


11. Having the Enterprise assembled ON EARTH not in space.


hmm.....


12. turning  Chekov into an irritating little worm.


What was he before?


13. The stupid idea of making Kirk Captain too fast


(above)


14. Horrible Enterprise design


Again, it wouldn't have worked at all to have repeated the original '60s design.


15. No mention of the movie prequel Star Trek comic book which has TNG in it.


That's just a comic book. Extra stuff, but doesn't need to be in the movie.


16. NO RESPECT for Star Trek CANON or CONTINUITY.


A lot of the things they mentioned were respecting the Star Trek canon. They're not going to make a lot of mentions of 24th century Trek because (apart from Spock and Nero) they're all 23rd century characters. Having Archer in there was kind of fun. The dog mentioned does not have to be Porthos either -- he is just "Admiral Archer's prize Beagle", which could just as easily be a different beagle. The alternate timeline idea makes it so that they don't have to be picky about continuity -- which is good. And besides that, Trek tv series broke continuity all the time!


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Report this May. 04 2013, 8:25 pm

a "foolish time travel alternate universe excuse"   kinda describes a lot of star trek


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