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KIRK'S shirt is GREEN

He'sDeadJim6400

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Report this Apr. 09 2013, 12:28 pm

Look I'm sick and tired of seeing yellow pics of Kirks shirt, all my action figures got Captain Kirk in yellow shirts, I re-painted them, olive green..The command color was olive green, not GOLD not YELLOW, not TAN, the guy that did the uniforms in the 1960's said ALL of Kirk's shirts including the wrap around was OLIVE GREEN NOT Gold, they only appear yellow because of the high color lights they used, so everyone who makes Star Trek action figues and Trek comic books, NO MORE YELLOW SHIRTS on Captain Kirk !..Anyone agree ? 


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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Apr. 09 2013, 2:59 pm

No.... There were multiple green shirts Kirk used, but they were all the wrap around style and did not have an insignia on the chest.



 



 


 


 


 


All the other times, it was a pullover yellow/gold shirt with the black collar and usually with the insignia on the chest.



 


 


 


But note that they went through a few uniform modifications throughout the series.

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Report this Apr. 09 2013, 5:50 pm

fireproof78

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Report this Apr. 09 2013, 9:36 pm

Yeah, the original material was actually a green, but the effect of lights and film made it look more green than gold:



Trekkies everywhere will swear Spock wore blue, Scotty wore red and Kirk wore gold. Wrong. The three Starfleet colors were blue, red and green. Lime green, to be exact. “It was one of those film stock things;” Theiss states, “it photographed one way - burnt orange or a gold. But in reality was another; the command shirts were definitely green.”



Some more detailed costume photoes here. Even with todays cameras the velour still shows up as yellow rather than the green.


http://www.startrekpropauthority.com/2009/03/star-trek-exhibition-in-detroit.html

fireproof78

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Report this Apr. 09 2013, 9:42 pm

I think what was originally intended, and what was accepted as "canon" has to be regarded as two different things. Despite the arguments, or even Theiss original statements, the accepted part is gold for command.


I mean, Spock smiled, other ships used Enterprise's arrowhead as their symbol, command uniforms were green. Bound to be some inconsistency somewhere

Kornula

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Report this Apr. 10 2013, 1:05 am

I awasy though Kirk wore a lighter shade of grey than Spck and McCoy when I was growing up. 


 


Then I learned TV was broadcast in colour.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Apr. 10 2013, 3:13 pm

Also... take a look at the other gold uniforms that others wore (like Sulu) - you will see it's the same color.


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Report this Apr. 11 2013, 11:07 am

Quick ammendment to my first post-I meant that lighting and camera made the material look gold not the lime green the material actually was. But, regardless of intent, the canon version, all published materials and reference guides cite command as being "gold" as it appears on film, not as the original costume was.


So, if you're going to recreate a screen accurate TOS era command tunic, find lime green velour. Otherwise, its gold.


Here is a great guide to the original uniforms: http://starfleet1701st.yuku.com/topic/485/2-SF1701st-Uniform-Manual-Bill-Theiss-TOS#.UWb6DVes1Z8


Some uniform reference pics: http://starfleet1701st.yuku.com/topic/474/3-SF1701st-Uniform-Manual-TOS-Uniform-amp-Reference#.UWb6t1es1Z8


 


I even have the original cloth figures and their uniforms are gold.


Its ok to be gold

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Report this Apr. 12 2013, 2:47 pm

Thye had WAAAAAY to many colors of shirts for the captain. They should have picked one or the other or the ther or...well you see my idea. 


I like the idea of the olive shirt because it sets him apart from the rest of the crew, visually describing him as the captain. SInce they didnt have rank pips on thier uniforms, it did make it a little harder to tell. 


The yellow color was good and it does stand for command. Granted, i thought it looked a little more prfessional than the green one, but maybe its just me. 

stovokor2000-A

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Report this Apr. 15 2013, 4:04 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Apr. 09 2013, 2:59 pm

>All the other times, it was a pullover yellow/gold shirt with the black collar and usually with the insignia on the chest.

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I dont think you understand.


 


That shirt, the one in the pic you posted, was not actully yellow or gold.


It looked yellow on film because of the material and how it reflected the lights being used on the sets.


But it was actully a odd shade of green


 


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Report this Apr. 15 2013, 5:15 pm

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Apr. 15 2013, 4:04 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Apr. 09 2013, 2:59 pm

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>All the other times, it was a pullover yellow/gold shirt with the black collar and usually with the insignia on the chest.

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I dont think you understand.

 

That shirt, the one in the pic you posted, was not actully yellow or gold.

It looked yellow on film because of the material and how it reflected the lights being used on the sets.

But it was actully a odd shade of green

 

I posted four images. The gold/yellow shirt was the same shirt as all the other people who wore gold/yellow... unless you're trying to say that all of them wore green....


 


 


Oh... and remember in DS9: "Trials and Tribble-ations" when  Bashir was questioning Sisko & O'Brien about wearing the wrong color?  Sisko's response was, "In the old days, operations officers wore red, command officers wore gold."

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Report this Apr. 15 2013, 5:48 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Apr. 15 2013, 5:15 pm

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>Oh... and remember in DS9: "Trials and Tribble-ations" when  Bashir was questioning Sisko & O'Brien about wearing the wrong color?  Sisko's response was, "In the old days, operations officers wore red, command officers wore gold."

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I think the actual costumes were green, but since they showed up gold on camera, they stuck with gold in TAS, and onward. I personally haven't seen the actual costumes, but I have heard they were greenish, and just showed up gold. Same reason spock's hair looked purple sometimes.


 


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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Apr. 15 2013, 6:30 pm

Quote: Sehlat123 @ Apr. 15 2013, 5:48 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Apr. 15 2013, 5:15 pm

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>Oh... and remember in DS9: "Trials and Tribble-ations" when  Bashir was questioning Sisko & O'Brien about wearing the wrong color?  Sisko's response was, "In the old days, operations officers wore red, command officers wore gold."

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I think the actual costumes were green, but since they showed up gold on camera, they stuck with gold in TAS, and onward. I personally haven't seen the actual costumes, but I have heard they were greenish, and just showed up gold. Same reason spock's hair looked purple sometimes.

 

So you're saying that all the gold uniforms worn by command officers were green?

fireproof78

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Report this Apr. 15 2013, 9:08 pm

Hey guys, if you read my posts, you'll see I link to an article from Bill Theiss, costume designer for TOS. In that article, he says the velour for command costumes was "lime green" but due to lighting and film it showed up gold. So, it became canon.


Seriously, read the article: http://starfleet1701st.yuku.com/topic/485/2-SF1701st-Uniform-Manual-Bill-Theiss-TOS#.UWzN98qs1Z9

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Report this Apr. 15 2013, 10:27 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Apr. 15 2013, 5:15 pm

> posted four images. The gold/yellow shirt was the same shirt as all the other people who wore gold/yellow... unless you're trying to say that all of them wore green....


 yes, thats exactly what i'm telling you.


 Oh... and remember in DS9: "Trials and Tribble-ations" when  Bashir was questioning Sisko & O'Brien about wearing the wrong color?  Sisko's response was, "In the old days, operations officers wore red, command officers wore gold.


yes, because most fans think the color is gold, it looked gold on film due to the matrial and the lighting.So instead of explaining things in the episode they went with what it looks like.


Have you ever been to convention that exhibited the real uniforms used on the original series?Of did you go to the Trek excperance when it was in Vagas?


That is how ZI klearned the true color of those uniforms.


Here look at these 2 pics of a uniform used in the series.They are both the same uniform, the first pic was taken with no flash, you can see the darker "green-ish" xolor


The 2nd pic is taken with bright lights and a flash, you can see how the lights make it seem much more yellow/gold


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