Flanaess GROUP: Members POSTS: 5 |
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Apr. 03 2013, 4:57 pm
Dr. Ira Graves cheats death in The Schizoid Man. He transfers his mind into Data and takes over Data's body, Data's consciousness becomes completely repressed during this time.
I agree that it is morally wrong and Starfleet/Federation also strongly feel it's wrong.
Why then, in Nemesis, do they set Data up to cheat death by using B-4's mind and body, in the same fashion as Dr. Ira Graves assaulted Data's body and abused his civil rights?
B-4 should be allowed to live, learn and grow in his own right. Become his own person.
The 2009 comic book let's Data take over B-4, thus having Data engage in a criminal act.
At a convention, Brent Spiner said basically that if there was a new TNG movie, Data would be brought back to life through B-4. Wrong is wrong, no matter the stardate.
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Lang-haoLeeyoh GROUP: Members POSTS: 182 |
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Apr. 04 2013, 1:02 am
No, I not agree; Data was trying only to be giving B4 chance to become more acualized, to allow him to become better, not to become repressed.
But if help think of this: every time someone transports, body completely dinsintigrated/atomized (and thus killed) and then reintigrated elsewhere; so if people have a sould and really a completely new body built from same molicules, what happen to soul, if beam as fast or faster than speed of light and they talking through beaming even when half molicules in one place and half in another and then a second latter the no stop and say good, my soul just reentered my body.
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2takesfrakes GROUP: Members POSTS: 3447 |
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Apr. 04 2013, 3:57 pm
That's STAR TREK for you - Edith Keeler wasn't allowed to avoid her known fate, yet ... Gillian Taylor is allowed to avoid her unknown future, by leaping into Kirk's arms in mid-transport.
And now, some 75 or 80 years later in TREK's timeline, B4 is expendable like Edith Keeler. Data, on the other hand, like Gilian Taylor ... is NOT!!! That's just the way this show rolls!
Even STAR TREK's Prime Directive is not quite immune! One planet gets the plug pulled on it, and ENTERPRISE moves on, leaving those poor natives to pick up the pieces. Other times, it's rigidly adhered to ... but what can you do?
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leroybrock GROUP: Members POSTS: 198 |
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Apr. 06 2013, 3:54 pm
The glaring difference between these two scenarios is that Ira was trying to steal from/replace Data. When Data connected to B4 it was to provide B4 with additional experiences a nd information. If Data is considered to be "resurrected" through B4 it's not really him; it's B4 deciding to act like Data.
I Am Ultra Narcissus.
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Ne vem GROUP: Members POSTS: 20 |
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Apr. 07 2013, 9:52 am
The easiest answer is: B4 was an idiot and no-one cared enough to defend his rights.
Actually, I can't remember Nemesis that well...but wasn't B4 defective in some way?
Why does no-one in Trek make zines?
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leroybrock GROUP: Members POSTS: 198 |
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Apr. 07 2013, 10:30 am
I've not been able to actually sit through this entire abomination so I don't have a complete picture but I did catch some of the stuff with B4. He seemed more underdeveloped. Data was just doing what parents and siblings do to their children and siblings in a much more time effective, android-compatible manner.
I Am Ultra Narcissus.
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