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DUKAT!!!!

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Report this Apr. 03 2013, 1:20 pm

Quote: xXLadyDataXx @ Apr. 02 2013, 1:23 pm

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>I've never noticed any racism on here but for sure I've seen a lot of Christian bashing.

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People argue agaist christian values, and then christians argue back against them. It's just debate. And that should happen.


However, there are a few counts of just bashing, like "Xs are stupid" (substitute X for anything, christians, republicans, etc.) and that is what is bad. Please, just think logically, don't just make insults.


Just saying that everyone here is racist is just wrong. Give me an example. Did someone say "everyone from Asia is stupid?" That would be racist. But I haven't seen that. I've only seen you accusing others of being racist, and giving no arguments, only insults. Please, I beg you, don't try to see racism in everyone. If all you talk about is racism, you will see racism where it isn't. Unless anyone is downright racist, then just cool it, don't come crying. Sorry if something offended you, but it's you who saw it as racist, not us.


DUKAT!!!!! -Major Kira

humanityresurrected

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Report this Apr. 03 2013, 5:24 pm

look, i think that a thread should be statred of the insult, and a moderator and others should decide if their has been a violation of a rule. end of story. 


Who's job is it to end poverty? Poverty refers to being unable to afford basic human needs, which commonly includes clean and fresh water, nutrition, health care, education, clothing and shelter.

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Report this Apr. 03 2013, 6:57 pm

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humanityresurrected Christian bashing? Really? Claiming reverse racism IS a sign of being racist guys.  How about the post 9/11 anti-muslim actions across america; n' as a Buddhist who also believe in Chinese old gods the exist b4 buddhism; I can tell you that whenever online people start pushing Christianity on everyone else I find that offensive, and if tell someone whatever faith helps you get through life its good you have it, but you shouldn't presume your faith is better than anyone elses, they get upset at that; but there are hundreds if not millions of sites that do nothing but say Jesus Christ is only way you be saved and no go to hell.  If told you believing in the Buddha's teaching's only way you not go to hell you say you would no be offended; but you see absolutely nothing wrong with Christians doing that? Acceptance of such actions is called passive bigotry; and it seem 3/4 of you are actively passive bigots.  I not say it not bad in China, it horrible there; but at least there if someone say "you racist" person ask how and try to change; here is you say "you racist" they call that reverse racism because you happen to notice that they are racist, and they see being racist a right and don't want  anyone reminding them of it.


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let the record show, it could be mistaken identity. i said nothing of the sort. 


Who's job is it to end poverty? Poverty refers to being unable to afford basic human needs, which commonly includes clean and fresh water, nutrition, health care, education, clothing and shelter.

fireproof78

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Report this Apr. 03 2013, 8:13 pm

Quote: Lang-haoLeeyoh @ Apr. 02 2013, 11:29 pm

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>humanityresurrected Christian bashing? Really? Claiming reverse racism IS a sign of being racist guys.  How about the post 9/11 anti-muslim actions across america; n' as a Buddhist who also believe in Chinese old gods the exist b4 buddhism; I can tell you that whenever online people start pushing Christianity on everyone else I find that offensive, and if tell someone whatever faith helps you get through life its good you have it, but you shouldn't presume your faith is better than anyone elses, they get upset at that; but there are hundreds if not millions of sites that do nothing but say Jesus Christ is only way you be saved and no go to hell.  If told you believing in the Buddha's teaching's only way you not go to hell you say you would no be offended; but you see absolutely nothing wrong with Christians doing that? Acceptance of such actions is called passive bigotry; and it seem 3/4 of you are actively passive bigots.  I not say it not bad in China, it horrible there; but at least there if someone say "you racist" person ask how and try to change; here is you say "you racist" they call that reverse racism because you happen to notice that they are racist, and they see being racist a right and don't want  anyone reminding them of it.

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If Buddhists believed that, I would respect that belief, but I am free to disagree with it because of my beliefs. I have no problem with Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hiundus, Skis, Jews, Jedi, etc... (no offense to any that I have left off. Not intentional) expressing their beliefs. If Christians belief that Christ is the only way, then they can express it.


As for reverse racism, there is some of that here in the US, partially due to "white guilt" in some regards, partially due to other factors in society.


For the record, I believe racism exists, but some people have worse experiences than others. Calling everyone racist doesn't fuel good discussion-it only makes people more defensive.

fireproof78

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Report this Apr. 03 2013, 8:16 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Apr. 03 2013, 4:22 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ Apr. 02 2013, 3:12 pm

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>Other than the whole Jesus Christ is Julius Caesar thread, I really haven't notice much in the way of religious discussion at all.

>But, I'm white, male, Christian and American so I probably am one of the most intolerant people you'll meet

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I was wondering who "IULIUS CHRISTOS" was supposed to be... I think if he were Caesar he would not have been crucified (a punishment generally reserved for non-citizens of Rome, so you're safe there.)

White, male, Christian and American! Whoa. That's one hell of an indictment... she says, while really only taking the piss.

Edit: After this point I did have a look at the other thread. I think what it was saying was not so much that Jesus was Caesar as that Caesar was another Christ. This is actually valid (although not a valid cause for Christian-bashing) even though Caesar did not claim to be the son of Venus so much as her descendant (through Aeneas, founder of the Latin colony.) What is disputable is that knowing this somehow negates or diminishes the value of Jesus' teachings.

But I digress... lol


Whoah, whoah...watch the language...on the internet...um, never mind


Yeah, I'm generally an offensive person. You really shouldn't hang out with me-I'm a bad influence

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 04 2013, 1:50 am

DUKAT!!!! THank you, I grow up in China and am buddhist and believe in Old Chinese gods that exisgt before Buddhism; I beleive Buddhism may work ontop of any other belief system and never need displace it, just like no dispalce my or Japanese beliefs in my or thier gods; I never see Christian values, whenever I go to a Christian place, they have values, that to an outsider clear seen as come from thier history, culutre, present situation, etc. none seem at all influenced by Christianity, but when expressing that exact value they say these Christian Values.


Maybe you mean how U.S. TV now saying evderything in bible not as you taught in "sunday school" and even say bible itself not legit in how it written; but that Christian culture internal changing and this part of the natural devdelopement of your culture, as we in china saw happen thousands of years ago, because most cultures like most human beings go through simmilar changes as they grow up and yours is very young, but very quickly changing, so maybe in another thousand years you become more deleveloped than Chinese Culture; I know even after only 3-years in USA when I look back at Chinese in China (having a big sister and little sister, and seeing how big sister so happy here and  how little sister so happy in Germany undergrad school) I amazed at how they treat women, and wonder was I really like that?  I like think no, that my time in monastary and having modern parents made me very dif and that when I react strongly if because I would have reacted strongly even before moving to USA.

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 04 2013, 8:40 am

OtakuJo Well my experiences have taught me that wherever I have traveled there is racism and that if you stay in one place lone enough you will see racism change, like the Americans did, whites hating (most) Native Americans, then scotts and other endentured servents, then Black Africans, then new immigrents like the Irish, plus whomever they were fighting, spanish/Mexicans, french, brittish, (in no particular order) then north-south (still seems to be going on) then Germans, Italians and Japanese for the World Wars, then Koreans, then Vietnamese, then minor racism vs. Iraqis (sp?) then after 9/11 massive racism towards the middle east and massive religious bigotry towards Muslims.


So perhaps it is always right when one says "you racist" but it would be a truer statement to say "everyone is racist and it has always been so"


And determining whose exceptionally racist against who... that's in a mind of an individual and can never truly be determined, you could see a man and woman saying immensely racist things to each other and then realize they are lovers and that's just where their arguments go, cus' they are pushing each other's buttons without really meaning what they are saying, the same thing with best friends.

Lang-haoLeeyoh

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Report this Apr. 04 2013, 8:48 am

OtakuJo I also know some who interpret everything as someone being racist against them personally, and another strange thing is that in many other countries Racism is a possitive word, or at least it is used that way, much the same way Nationalism is used here; but I tend to think USA Nationalism is much more distructive than racism; racism witgin a country is lets say a majority not liking a minority & thinking they not as good, but not really being in the position to do much about that belief other than make themselves look bad by ranting about it; but U.S.A. Nationalism is about 4.5% of the world believing it is supperior to 95..5% of the world and having the ability to do much worse things to say 75% of them than could ever be or has ever been done on U.S. soil or western Europe, and to be completely removed from the process and make sure they never find out about the results, and if they do make sure they never think it happened because of what they or anyone specific in the U.S. did, even though they "get the ball started rolling"

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Report this Apr. 04 2013, 2:53 pm

Quote: Lang-haoLeeyoh @ Apr. 04 2013, 8:40 am

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>And determining whose exceptionally racist against who... that's in a mind of an individual and can never truly be determined, you could see a man and woman saying immensely racist things to each other and then realize they are lovers and that's just where their arguments go, cus' they are pushing each other's buttons without really meaning what they are saying, the same thing with best friends.

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Certainly I had two flatmates like that -- one was Pakeha (NZ European) and the other was Maori -- and to see them you couldn't help but wonder why they were boyfriend and girlfriend, because they were both lovely people when not together, but as soon as they saw each other they would fight all the time. Part of that is that they would say the most atrociously racist things against each other, and of course they would be trying to push each others buttons. But it was enough to give me a headache. I think if everyone were truly like that, then the world would be unbearable and society would fall apart.


I am very suspicious of overt displays of patriotism. "Nationalism" here tends to consist of a bunch of people looking around them and saying "Yup this place is sweet as" -- and at most, "Our marmite is better than British marmite." But then our relationship with Britain and Australia tends to be one of mutual harmless piss-taking anyhow.


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Report this Apr. 04 2013, 8:41 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Apr. 04 2013, 2:53 pm

Quote: Lang-haoLeeyoh @ Apr. 04 2013, 8:40 am

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>And determining whose exceptionally racist against who... that's in a mind of an individual and can never truly be determined, you could see a man and woman saying immensely racist things to each other and then realize they are lovers and that's just where their arguments go, cus' they are pushing each other's buttons without really meaning what they are saying, the same thing with best friends.

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Certainly I had two flatmates like that -- one was Pakeha (NZ European) and the other was Maori -- and to see them you couldn't help but wonder why they were boyfriend and girlfriend, because they were both lovely people when not together, but as soon as they saw each other they would fight all the time. Part of that is that they would say the most atrociously racist things against each other, and of course they would be trying to push each others buttons. But it was enough to give me a headache. I think if everyone were truly like that, then the world would be unbearable and society would fall apart.

I am very suspicious of overt displays of patriotism. "Nationalism" here tends to consist of a bunch of people looking around them and saying "Yup this place is sweet as" -- and at most, "Our marmite is better than British marmite." But then our relationship with Britain and Australia tends to be one of mutual harmless piss-taking anyhow.


Unless football is discussed, then its gloves off, no holds bar, eye gouging an the like-am I right?


As for racism, its a duel edge sword. With one swipe you cut down others, which, when turned around, can cut yourself. On the internet, this is doubly so, as you don't know the person, so it is easy to say vile and hateful things since there is no face, so person there, so you don't feel any need to restrict your words.


With that said, its interesting to me that many are being accused of racism for being from America or the Western part of the word, which in of itself is a racist argument, since it assumes that all people from a particular place are that way.


Well, I have little opinion, positive or negative, of other races, since I don't get to interact with them often. So, I am afraid I cannot say what ALL Chinese, Native Americans, Hispanics or Latinos/as are like since my experience is confined to the few I have met. All I can say is that the people I have met are as different and diverse as any other people I've met.


People are people, and I treat them as such.

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Report this Apr. 04 2013, 9:06 pm

Quote: fireproof78 @ Apr. 04 2013, 8:41 pm

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>Unless football is discussed, then its gloves off, no holds bar, eye gouging an the like-am I right?

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That, cricket, and the origins of pavlova recipe! lol


You are right about people being very diverse. My Japanese teacher had a good point of view on this -- he said that there is a far greater variation of temperaments within a given culture than there is between cultures. I have lived in three different countries (and travelled to probably four others), and in some very cosmopolitan communities (such as Queenstown), and know this to be true.


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Report this Apr. 05 2013, 12:26 am

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I've never noticed any racism on here but for sure I've seen a lot of Christian bashing.


[/quote]True... It used to be a lot worse several years ago, but nowadays, the bashing is more against Christian values than blatant Christian religion bashing.


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Since Christian "Values" are, at the very least, hypocritical, that would make them worthy of bashing.

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Report this Apr. 05 2013, 12:28 am

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And determining whose exceptionally racist against who... that's in a mind of an individual and can never truly be determined, you could see a man and woman saying immensely racist things to each other and then realize they are lovers and that's just where their arguments go, cus' they are pushing each other's buttons without really meaning what they are saying, the same thing with best friends.


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Certainly I had two flatmates like that -- one was Pakeha (NZ European) and the other was Maori -- and to see them you couldn't help but wonder why they were boyfriend and girlfriend, because they were both lovely people when not together, but as soon as they saw each other they would fight all the time. Part of that is that they would say the most atrociously racist things against each other, and of course they would be trying to push each others buttons. But it was enough to give me a headache. I think if everyone were truly like that, then the world would be unbearable and society would fall apart.


I am very suspicious of overt displays of patriotism. "Nationalism" here tends to consist of a bunch of people looking around them and saying "Yup this place is sweet as" -- and at most, "Our marmite is better than British marmite." But then our relationship with Britain and Australia tends to be one of mutual harmless piss-taking anyhow.


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Unless football is discussed, then its gloves off, no holds bar, eye gouging an the like-am I right?


As for racism, its a duel edge sword. With one swipe you cut down others, which, when turned around, can cut yourself. On the internet, this is doubly so, as you don't know the person, so it is easy to say vile and hateful things since there is no face, so person there, so you don't feel any need to restrict your words.


With that said, its interesting to me that many are being accused of racism for being from America or the Western part of the word, which in of itself is a racist argument, since it assumes that all people from a particular place are that way.


Well, I have little opinion, positive or negative, of other races, since I don't get to interact with them often. So, I am afraid I cannot say what ALL Chinese, Native Americans, Hispanics or Latinos/as are like since my experience is confined to the few I have met. All I can say is that the people I have met are as different and diverse as any other people I've met.


People are people, and I treat them as such.


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Just sing ... "Everyone's a little bit racist..."http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbud8rLejLM

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Report this Apr. 05 2013, 3:30 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F67JhKT5bxU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=19fcN3VaXs4&feature=fvwp


Hard to beat the Pythons when it comes to taking the piss out of prejudice!


 


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fireproof78

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Report this Apr. 05 2013, 8:59 pm

Quote: Kornula @ Apr. 05 2013, 12:26 am

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>I've never noticed any racism on here but for sure I've seen a lot of Christian bashing.

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True... It used to be a lot worse several years ago, but nowadays, the bashing is more against Christian values than blatant Christian religion bashing.

Since Christian "Values" are, at the very least, hypocritical, that would make them worthy of bashing.


Really? It makes it "worthy of bashing?"


Its an interesting concept, in point of fact. When is something "worthy of bashing" especially in terms of race and values? Are racists worthy of bashing due to their own hypocrisy? What about politicians?


Also, at the risk of derailing the thread so feel free to respond via PM what exactly is hypocritical in Christian values? Its an interesting statement and would be curious as to your view that prompts such a statement.

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